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Re the betting, how are some names out but others not released?
My take? One has all but admitted he is a greedy little devil... the other 2 or 3 are unlucky/been stupid enough to make a boat load of bets. I reckon at that point Sunak thought, "shit" and decided that delaying how deep the rot is till after the election was his only viable, if utterly immortal, option. More so if a minister if involved...
Kettle is on.
Hold the horses. Am pointing out both parties have same core objectives, merits of any a different conversation.
https://labour.org.uk/updates/stories/labours-immigration-and-border-policy-stop-small-boats/
Labour’s immigration and border policy: How we’ll create a fair system and stop the small boat crossings
Yep. Two groups of people having drinks and booze after a long day of work. Crowding round a table of food and crowding round a table with pizza, garlic bread and wedges. As said above only material difference is that one office had 20 civil service staffers as well as the party members.
If I may, the material differences are that the regulations differed at the time of the Labour do compared to the Tory do, and that the Tories repeatedly held parties and repeatedly lied about having done so. Labour had a few beers with a curry - reportedly there were active police avoidance measures, fisticuffs and vomiting at No 10.
There is no equivelance.
Oh dear, that must be a record for speed of change of subject. Have you considered contacting Guinness world records? I’m sure they would love to hear from you!
Thanks. However the subject hasn't changed from Toxicity. There's a lot of loud voices of the view that the Tories are the nasty racists talking about immigration. Labour has the exact same "stop the boats" policy, that differs only on technicalities.
As said above, most of the toxic comments tend to come from the left.
Hold the horses. Am pointing out both parties have same core objectives, merits of any a different conversation.
Just curious why, apropos of nothing, the small boats issue was casually dropped in. It's not an unnatural thing to query.
FWIW - Patel and Braverman deliberately exacerbated the asylum / illegal immigration situation by, effectively, switching off the processing of asylum claims and thus withdrawing legal options. If we had an just/unjust asylum system that was actually being implemented then people could make their minds up on that. But deliberately crashing a workable system for political gain is despicable and it is yet another reason that I will never vote Tory.
As said above, most of the toxic comments tend to come from the left.
OK. where to start.
Jenrick 'virtue' signalling to intolerant people by saying a kids mural on a wall in a grim asylum centre is too welcoming.
Numerous characterisations of 'swarms' or 'inundations'.
Threats of leaving the ECHR.
Remind me - which 'side' did these.
Edit: And presumably you never read anything about the death threats and threats to family that Sadiq Khan receives daily? In terms of sheer volume, nastiness, and credibility threat no Tory MP receives anything remotely like it. Disrespect? Yes. A few vicious comments? Yes. Hundreds of direct threats week in, week out? No.
Whilst we are going off on a tangent, how is the Bibby barge going in terms of cost per asylum seeker v's simply putting them up in a hotel and processing thier applications in a fair and timley manner? And what is the impact on the UK tax payer?
It's almost as if there was never any sort of serious plan?
Numerous characterisations of ‘swarms’ or ‘inundations’.
IIRC, Braverman was asked directly either by a Holocaust survivor or the child of a Holocaust survivor to stop using language like "swarm" or "invasion" and refused to do so.
My postal vote arrived too. So far the leaflets through the door consist of:
Reelect SNP incumbent, here's some shit she's done.
Vote for Labour nobody, bunch of vague statements based on national policies. Misses the point that the NHS is a devolved matter.
Vote for Tory councillor turned MP wannabe. List of 6 issues he's going to be tackling. Obviously got briefed for the wrong election because every single one is a devolved matter.
Vote for Reform nobody. Something about small boats and undemocratic ECHR. Address withheld but in the area.
Other candidates include usual Edinburgh based Lib Dem plus local SDP, Socialist Labour and Greens.
skooby39
Free MemberAs said above, most of the toxic comments tend to come from the left.
Tory candidate being a bit sweaty/toxic about the... tories.
https://twitter.com/ColchesterLab/status/1804513079566258227
I think people smuggling in shitty boats is generally a pretty bad thing regardless of your stance on asylum seeking, no?
Not really, no. If you support people making their way to the UK by any means necessary, how can you get on your high horse and criticise those who make those means available?
Sorry, just thought this was slightly odd and a little amusing!
Totally get Sunak is teetotal but why try and channel his inner Farage by having a pint glass for his mineral water?
More importantly, looking like Sunak is going to have to U turn on the betting wall of silence. The damage is already done as per usual of course but the longer he holds out, the more damage is done.
Epic.
Skooby39 tell us who got prosecuted for rule breaking socialising! Then maybe stfu
our election leaflets
its a new constituency but our (tory) MP who is never here is stepping down
Heritage party- howling at the moon nonsense pro putin, pro climate change
Lib dem access to gp & nhs, water quality
labour : build more affordable housing, homelessness, dentist & gp dentist access
Tory , blocking new housing , hes obsessed with this! flashiest leaflet by far, trifold lots of pics of current cabinet members and the candidate, tiny conservative logo
John Oliver speaks for a nation
https://twitter.com/jpxan71/status/1805339301485727909?t=yZtwkBH2h8J6NNr5M2iedw&s=19
Totally get Sunak is teetotal but why try and channel his inner Farage by having a pint glass for his mineral water?
To be fair, if my choice of drink was limited to greeneking IPA or some sort of warm crappy cider, I'd be teetotal too! 😀
Skooby39 tell us who got prosecuted for rule breaking socialising! Then maybe stfu
Thank you, this one though we went through a bit earlier. As a recap, someone else helpfully provided the technicalities on the rules, but essentially Kier got away with it because his beers came with a takeaway rather than using the office catering service. Whether you feel there's a moral difference beyond the admin point is likely political. No need for stfu, that's like shouting 'scum' in Parliament and wondering why MPs are being attacked in their own offices.
Kier "got away with it" because there was nothing to get away with. The rules at the time were followed. Compare that to the people who set all the rules yet failed to follow them... failed is the wrong word... they planned and knew that they weren't following them, it was no accident, and tried to cover it all up. Staff in no10 received 126 fixed penalty notices, including the Prime Minister. The Daily Mail did a very good job of adding to the "they're all the same" feeling at large in the UK with their many false equivalence front page stories... but it was in all nonsense in the eyes of the law and anyone who can read the facts straight.
this one though we went through a bit earlier. As a recap, someone else helpfully provided the technicalities on the rules, but essentially Kier got away with it because his beers came with a takeaway rather than using the office catering service.
good grief thats a rather desperate attempt to equate not breaking the law 1 time at dinner with continuous piss ups all through lockdown under Johnson's government....
let me guess you also hung on the month long daily mails daily updates about rayner once selling a council house??
Funnily enough the electorate have seen through all that guff for the easily led, in the real world the pollsters are having trouble modelling just how low the Tory vote is going to fall
My view may be political but it doesn't avoid the facts that one gathering was prosecuted widely and the other was investigated and no offences found. Which I maintain justifies the arrogance, on the basis they made the rules and then didn't follow them. That's the arrogance, "the rules don't apply to us"
Perhaps you'll give us your view, political or otherwise, on the competence question. I've asked twice and I know you read my posts to be able to quote them, so third time lucky....
What do you think of the PPE procurement routes. Was the outcome, overpaying by millions that mysteriously ended up in the pockets of tory donors and their mates, while the PPE ended up in the bin, that of a competent process? Or was that always the point of it, and it was a very competent con at the British taxpayer's expense?
Wow I thought I’d have a quick read in case I’d missed anything, but seems the usual shouting matches found on social media.
It’s a great effort from the Tory voting types to try to shout louder with the hope of just boring and putting everyone off, which is probably quite successful. “They’re all the same” is all I seem to read. Shame on the public for being brainwashed.
Hope the tactical voting plans destroy everything to do with them and they are never ever in a position to return.
Wow..... of all the examples to use to try to show equivalence...
Partygate vs currygate?
And then on immigration?
I've got time for the "there is not enough clear-air between the tory and labour policies" discussion, but this "they're all the same" narrative is completely deluded - to the point that it's just a fig-leaf used by many to cover themselves while they vote for somebody because they are different/tell it like it is/will shake things up, and is exactly the same mindset that caused people to vote for Brexit as some sort of protest vote ("ha! I've shat my own pants - that'll teach you!").
Imagine being so stupid to wail that Brexit has been a disaster - but then being convinced to vote for Farrage? Or thinking that the Tories "flagship" policy on Rwanda was no different to what Labour were proposing on immigration? Or Tory PPE corruption vs Angela Rainer's council house. I actually don't think it's stupidity - I think it's this weird tribalism where people will perform increasingly baffling mental gymnastics to fit the facts to their opinions, rather than the other way around.
it’s just a fig-leaf used by many to cover themselves
Absolutely. The we are always right voters who strangely enough always pick the winning side the rags told them too. Once again the poor buggers have been conned by slimy politicians, who'd of thought it? Keeps happening doesn't it!?!
“they’re all the same” narrative is completely deluded
To the likes of you and I who actually look at it for more than 2 minutes they are clearly not the same. The policies are not the same, the high level goals for how society should work are not the same, the MPs are not the same.
But for those that just glance at this stuff (a lot of voters), they see an MP on TV avoiding questions where a simple and honest answer could be given, they see that they are all promising to make things better while things get worse and they don't really know the fundamental difference between the parties therefore they are "all the same"
How could a party get people to think they are different, maybe be more clearly different?
Totally get Sunak is teetotal but why try and channel his inner Farage by having a pint glass for his mineral water
I’d imagine (thinking like Malcolm Tucker) that given his stature and general demeanour, it’s to avoid the visual impression of a child who’s been given some fizzy pop, a packet of Monster Munch and some money for the pool table while the grown ups are talking
I’d imagine (thinking like Malcolm Tucker) that given his stature and general demeanour, it’s to avoid the visual impression of a child who’s been given some fizzy pop, a packet of Monster Munch and some money for the pool table while the grown ups are talking
Yeah - that makes sense....... but also highlights the fact that his campaign team are so abjectly crap that they arranged a photo op in a pub, but didn't think to bring some alcohol free beer for him.
Is it one of those perspective photos? That's actually a half pint and he's sat about 6 feet in front of everyone else.
(I do generally disagree with having a go a people's appearance but for Rishi it's just too tempting)
As to “They’re all the same”, an example of a post that popped up on my FB feed.
”Omg . Always knew these parliamentary idiots were stupid but getting caught betting on the election dates . Well why and who wants to bother voting for any of these muppets. Be better off saving your time and ink ladies and gents and just voting for your favourite orangutan at your local zoo 😀”
it’s just a fig-leaf used by many to cover themselves
Sometimes, sometimes not.
Sometimes it is people genuinely trying to convince themselves.
Sometimes it is a fig leaf - but why vote for someone/something you then feel the need to excuse yourself for?
Nowt as strange as folk...
Sometimes it is a fig leaf – but why vote for someone/something you then feel the need to excuse yourself for?
"You don't stand for something, you fall for anything."
As a wise political commentator once said.
how can you get on your high horse and criticise those who make those means available?
Well because the people smugglers are breaking the law and deliberately circumventing the processes we have; and also recklessly endangering lives with very unsafe practices. Which result in many deaths.
They could do so much better. Have we even tried information campaigns in countries that are the source of the immigrants explaining what makes a valid claim and what will get them sent home?
They could do so much better. Have we even tried information campaigns in countries that are the source of the immigrants explaining what makes a valid claim and what will get them sent home?
That's a great idea. I think we should build information display boards on the borders of all the current conflict zones in the world. Or even manned info booths.
Leaving Gaza Sir? Are you aware of how hostile the UK is to undocumented people fleeing for their lives. Have you reconsidered your plan to reach the UK via a torturous route at the hands of illegal people smuggling gangs? It's not very hygeinic and those shipping containers van get quite humid.
Why don't you go back to your completely crushed home, rearrange the dust and broken walls, pop the kettle on, you'll have to imagine you've a) got a kettle and B) a gas supply, then read these pamphlets about how dour life in the UK is? I'm sure that you and your family will soon realise that staying put is the best course of action.
Big hugs
The UK Government
But for those that just glance at this stuff (a lot of voters)
Indeed - which is the Dominic Cummings playbook.
"I need punchy, 3 words, never mind about detail or 'truth' whatever that is, I want to deliver 3 words a hundred times, not 300 words once"
Not a direct quote - but very much his MO. All nuance is lost (deliberately). It also serves a purpose later on - when the miracle doesn't happen they can always say "well we didn't specifically promise you that".
Lazy politics for lazy/busy voters.
PPE is on the BBC this morning. If you don't like waste, then look away now.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cll476qzm85o
but didn’t think to bring some alcohol free beer for him.
Why if he doesnt like it regardless of the alcohol. Using a tankard is odd though. A half pint would make more sense. That or a coke rather than water/lemonade.
Is this the photo from a couple of weeks back or is he continually using one?
Some people drink water by the pint. I do. What’s the point of a thimble of water on a warm June day?
As a recap, someone else helpfully provided the technicalities on the rules, but essentially Kier got away with it because his beers came with a takeaway rather than using the office catering service.
In other news, some people get away with driving fast on a motorway because they stay beneath the speed limit.
Great tip that actually, if you want to “get away with it” staying inside the law makes it ridiculously easy.
Also TJ plus 1 on the subject of pints of water. We have some standards.
