'Traitorous' Argentine intellectuals on the Falklands

Fortunately we still have the Tower of London in which to bang up our traitors. Remind me which UK intellectuals have written a paper supporting the Argentinian position who should be in there?

Isn’t the tower already filled with the drugs experts whos expert advice wasn’t on message enough for the government.

Remind me which UK intellectuals have written a paper supporting the Argentinian position who should be in there?

The point, which is beyond debate, is that not everyone in either country agrees.
As they call journalists intelectuals..I am sure we can just accept that we could easily find a journalist to support either view without bothering to waste our time googling.

As they call journalists intelectuals

Well that of course depends on your source – more reliable ones than the Guardian mention it’s a group of “Argentina’s leading intellectuals, historians, journalists, constitutional experts and politicians” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9098633/Cristina-Kirchner-told-to-leave-Falkland-Islanders-alone-by-Argentinas-intellectuals.html . Fancy finding any of the rest of that list in the UK supporting Argentina’s position?

Isn’t it interesting to see who holds anti-establishment viewpoints in each country? Or are you making a case for not bothering discussing anything because you can find somebody with a different opinion about anything?

Isn’t there now an airbase on the Falklands with a load of Typhoons stationed there? That sort of negates the aircraft carrier argument

If you call four (allowing a ripple of two) ‘a load’ then yes.

If you call four (allowing a ripple of two) ‘a load’ then yes.

How many A-A missiles does each one carry?

probably not enough. I believe the rapier units are the anti-air cover anyway.

The new type 45 destroyers are designed to protect forces from air attacks with its Sea Viper missile as well as providing fire support to ground troops.

IF Britain is ever forced to abandon the islands

That’s a pretty massive “if”. Who is going to force us?

america might take a fancy to it if we find oil down there 😮

America is in the process of securing an oil deal in the Falklands waters, they don’t need to and they’ll get very trigger happy if the Argentines interfere with the billion dollar deal. Although the Amraams the Typhoons currently carry wouldn’t get a 1:1 missile/kill ratio in a BVR situation… the fact that 4 Tiffies can carry enough Amraams to potentially wipe out 3/4ths of the Argentine fast jet force….should hopefully discourage any silliness on their part. A T45 parked off the coast as close to the airbase would further compound any Argentine air strikes, this ship carries 45 anti air missiles for immediate use and potentially more in storage. Then the airbase itself is defended by short range Rapier SAM’s, squaddies with shoulder launched Starstreak SAMS and a **** load of small arms (which are still dangerous to low flying jets).

The Argie air force would have it’s arse handed to it if they ever attempted anything. Honestly the RAF and Army brass are not that stupid and have made a logical considered approach to defending the islands.

4 Tiffies can carry enough Amraams to potentially wipe out 3/4ths of the Argentine fast jet force

That would appear to make 4 a load – at least in the mind of anybody in Argentina considering taking them on.

So – finished spaffing over guns and bombs yet? Really rather distasteful. its not a video game and the tone some of you are using……………

You are talking about killing people.

Nahh I’ve just had enough of the “Hoe maiii gawd what did you do to the carriers….RUUUUUULE BRITANNIA” Daily Mail crowd. I didn’t really want to talk about it but the idiocy was annoying me.

You guys are a bit thin skinned on here.

You don’t understand “defence” do you, TJ? The whole point of having such an overwhelming military force there is that nobody will get hurt. I don’t think anybody has got excited about the idea of killing lots of argies except in the sense that the threat is enough to put them off trying.

The whole point of having such an overwhelming military force there is that nobody will get hurt. I don’t think anybody has got excited about the idea of killing lots of argies except in the sense that the threat is enough to put them off trying.

THIS

+1 aracer such force also acts as a deterrent to would be aggressors thus avoiding bloodshed.

But if we have to use it I for one want to be on the winning side. There are no prizes for second place.

Column by Sean Penn

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/feb/23/sean-penn-falklands-malvinas-diplomacy-interrupted

LOL!

Has Argentina made an idiot of itself? 😆

http://en.mercopress.com/2012/02/21/timerman-falklands-militarization-claim-with-little-echo-at-un-admits-argentine-press

and hurt their own economy?

http://en.mercopress.com/2012/02/21/argentina-uk-2011-bilateral-trade-totalled-1.4bn-dollars-could-suffer-malvinas-dispute-impact 😀

My that president of theirs is a brilliant politico. Perhaps she should lay off the plastic surgery and start reading a few more books. Has anyone noticed that almost all Argie soy beans are GM and consequently we could have them banned by the EU if we really could be bothered.

Americans now taking an interest in the oil? 🙂

http://en.mercopress.com/2012/02/17/us-member-of-congress-begins-one-week-visit-to-falklands-next-monday

Column by Sean Penn

Strewth – I read through all that in the hope he was going to make sense at some point. I hope he’s a better actor than he is a writer.

Ooh there’s some people in this thread who really know a lot about weapons. I think I’m getting a little bit turned on.

TJ in colonising the moral high-ground by force of arms shocker…

TandemJeremy – Member

So – finished spaffing over guns and bombs yet? Really rather distasteful. its not a video game and the tone some of you are using…

aracer – Member

You don’t understand “defence” do you, TJ? The whole point of having such an overwhelming military force there is that nobody will get hurt. I don’t think anybody has got excited about the idea of killing lots of argies except in the sense that the threat is enough to put them off trying.

Oooh I don’t know – some of them seemed to be getting rather overexcited adn the pejorative and jingoistic attitudes and language being used is rather unpleasant

the pejorative and jingoistic attitudes and language being used is rather unpleasant

I feel some self-imposed offence being taken….

EDIT:

Las Malvinas son Argentinas

That’s pretty jingoistic, given Argentina’s past attempts at enforcing this

It’s quite simple TJ

We have enough assets down there to maintain air superiority
Without air superiority, they won’t try anything so no one will get hurt

unless they fancy flying suicide sortes

I bought the Ark Royal so I’ll lend you it if you want ?

I’ve just realised an interesting point everybody missed. Not one mention of the Chagossians by the Argentine intellectuals. You should get onto them right away to put them straight, TJ.

Las Malvinas son Argentinas

That’s pretty jingoistic, given Argentina’s past attempts at enforcing this

Indeed.

Ooh there’s some people in this thread who really know a lot about weapons. I think I’m getting a little bit turned on.

😀

Jingoism is extreme patriotism in the form of aggressive foreign policy.[1] In practice, it is a country’s advocation of the use of threats or actual force against other countries in order to safeguard what it perceives as its national interests. Colloquially, it refers to excessive bias in judging one’s own country as superior to others – an extreme type of nationalism.

well you seem to accept that we use threats or actual force against other countries in order to safeguard what it perceives as its national interests
It would apply evenly to both views.
I am not sure argentina is threatening force but that is possibly more down to the fact they could not win so why bother

That Sean Penn article really is spectacularly badly written. 😕

Having read that article by Sean Penn, I think we need to invite him to join STW. Talking shite about a subject you clearly know **** all about? He’d fit right in 😀

even with your high recommendations it was I struggle with long sentences after about two paragraphs

Sean Penn clearly wrote that Guardian piece because of the flaming he was getting for gobbing off about something he has at best a slender grasp of. Basically claiming “Thats not what I said”. Dont think that PR strategy going to go too well.

He was great in Schindlers List though.

Oooh I don’t know – some of them seemed to be getting rather overexcited adn the pejorative and jingoistic attitudes and language being used is rather unpleasant

just like the sweaty’s talking about their real mountains, tennis player and track cyclist.