Tomlinson's killer to face trial

ernie_lynch – Member
ilovemygears – Member
lol i read Engels

You’re not the full ticket are you mate ?

this is the internet you’re taking it all very seriously ant you.

Christ what a load of utter PISH!!!!

This was about a cop who appears very much on the face of it to have over stepped the Mark by some degree, lost the rag and pushed a guy over, without any real justification. Guy has then sadly died.

Cop should face the criminal justice system and let a court decide his culpability. An earlier resolution to this might have helped preserve the reputation of the met a bit better?

But…

How the he’ll did all this Chinese stuff start? And what in the hell raised the racism aspect?

Fer cry in out loud get a grip!

Edit, been watching this one for a bit, been trying so hard not to bite, but what the hell. Any posts by me is usually the kiss of death for the topic anyway 😥

Nickquinn293, not this time mate.

lol i read Engels, what a load of shit, you do realise communism killed 100 million people in the 20th centuraty dont you, Lenin was a mass murder and a dictator. In my mind Marx is responsible for some of the worst crime in history. All i said was that China was a very nice place to visit and that maybe you should go see for you’re self instead of believing the shit you see on the net and read in newspapers.

has it escaped your notice that the nice place China is in fact communist?
I dont know why I replied you seem perfectly capable of beating your own argument without any help
I dont think we take it that serious but is it to much to ask that what you say is at least based on either reality or logic?

I hear Libya is nice at this time of year.

Someone did mention they’ve had a spot of bother there of late. But, at the end of the day, that’s probably just crap spouted by the western propaganda machine. I’m going to go and have a look for myself

I dont think we take it that serious but is it to much to ask that what you say is at least based on either reality or logic?

JY I said earlier that hjis grasp of logic was poor and he was an effing prick. I challenge anyone to prove me wrong. Don’t give him anymore oxygen, I suggest just insulting the moron until he goes away.

Try Syria, lots of local colour

Ps crank boy, thanks, feel a bit less paranoid now!

No i dont read the Daily Mail or the Guardian, i think for my self.

Not much evidence of it, TBH. Anyone who seriously suggests China as a role model for law and order can most charitably be described as “naive”.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/search?q=china+execution&target=guardian

lol i read Engels, what a load of shit, you do realise communism killed 100 million people in the 20th centuraty dont you, Lenin was a mass murder and a dictator. In my mind Marx is responsible for some of the worst crime in history. All i said was that China was a very nice place to visit and that maybe you should go see for you’re self instead of believing the shit you see on the net and read in newspapers.

has it escaped your notice that the nice place China is in fact communist?
I dont know why I replied you seem perfectly capable of beating your own argument without any help
I dont think we take it that serious but is it to much to ask that what you say is at least based on either reality or logic?

did i ever say i was a communist? nope i did not. China is a communist country, which was put me off, but after seeing it i thought very differently. Thats the point i was making. That you should not believe what you see in news papers etc but instead what you have experienced for you self. China may be a communist country but not in the Western seance. like i said go see for ur self. I still think both Engels and Marx were full of shit, but it does not stop china being a good country. Yet again the White western man thinks he has the god given right to tell people on the other side of the world how to live. Ever noticed the Chines never tell us how to run our country, but we feel we have the right to tell them how to run theirs. What right in hell do we have to force our morals on people that live on the other side of the world. You just modern day missionary’s, determined to force you ‘superior’ views on people in other cultures. i couldn’t give a **** what lower middle class guardian readers think of me.

You do realise that if you lived in your beloved China, you wouldn’t be allowed to posthold the kind of views about the regime as you have about our evil western regimes.

MSP – Member
You do realise that if you lived in your beloved China, you wouldn’t be allowed to posthold the kind of views about the regime as you have about our evil western regimes.

we as it is their country that is their right!

no its not their right, they don’t get to choose or even debate it.

did i ever say i was a communist? nope i did not

Did I say you were a communist? I pointe dout you were praising a communist country despite hating communism …ie your view was contradictory

China may be a communist country but not in the Western seance.

WTF doe sthat even mean?

Ever noticed the Chines never tell us how to run our country,

so when they visited here they did not tell us to stop the protests about Tibet then as a condition of visiting?

but we feel we have the right to tell them how to run theirs.

We are telling them to uphold human rights not what to do with the country

What right in hell do we have to force our morals on people that live on the other side of the world.

Because universal human rights are universal

You just modern day missionary’s, determined to force you ‘superior’ views on people in other cultures.

coughs TIBET coughs

Because universal human rights are universal

They used to say that about Christianity.

…. and studios. Don’t forget studios.

Cultural Imperialism is big on the single track forums ant it, if it ant how to ride youre bike or what frame material to use its how people in other countries should behave and believe.

and suffrage. No…. erm…. hang on a minute. No. sorry. That doesn’t really work, does it?. Actually, it might do if you restructured the sentence slightly

Anyway, sorry. Carry on…… you were saying?

Ooooooooooo look what I’ve found! You’ll like this

Yep you slag of China and then buy their stuff, the computer you are using is most likely made in china, so i think if you are so concerned about the human rights in China you should throw it away as a demonstration of you contempt for the system. If you buy an apple computer you are supporting the Chines government, o the irony.

Do they make the irony too then? Or was that a typo? I know they make irons. Is that what you meant?

Because universal human rights are universal

They’re not. Rights are granted by those who hold power.

Nothing universal about them.

5thElefant – Member
Because universal human rights are universal

They’re not. Rights are granted by those who hold power.
Nothing universal about them.

At last some one with a brain.

Because universal human rights are universal

They’re not. Rights are granted by those who hold power.

Universal human rights are what you have by virtue of being born. They don’t depend on anybody else.

Of course opinions may differ on what constitutes a universal right, for example, the Chinese may not consider is a universal right to hold an unpopular view, or to keep your organs on the inside of your body and not given to a person rich enough to pay for them, etc etc etc.

Which irons did you mean though? These:

or these:

I think they make both. But I couldn’t be certain

Universal human rights are what you have by virtue of being born. They don’t depend on anybody else.

Of course opinions may differ on what constitutes a universal right, for example, the Chinese may not consider is a universal right to hold an unpopular view, or to keep your organs on the inside of your body and not given to a person rich enough to pay for them, etc etc etc.

Yet its the USA that leads the world in imprisonment per capita . O yes the land of the free.

Universal human rights are what you have by virtue of being born. They don’t depend on anybody else.

Of course opinions may differ on what constitutes a universal right, for example, the Chinese may not consider is a universal right to hold an unpopular view, or to keep your organs on the inside of your body and not given to a person rich enough to pay for them, etc etc etc
Somebody wrote that on a piece of paper and some other people signed it.

It’s not real.

Rights are what are granted to you by those that hold power over you.

Yet its the USA that leads the world in imprisonment per capita

That’ll be because of their ‘right’ to bear arms. If we all had guns in this country, 80% of the adult population would be in prison at any one time. This would be due to shooting someone outside the kebab house at 3 in the morning cos they looked at your bird. Or slightly earlier when they called your pint a puff.

Or maybe its because the Americans routinely imprison people who’s opinions they don’t much care for? I don’t know how the prison population compares to China. I’m having difficulty finding the exact statistics. Can’t think why. Normally they’re such an open and accessible lot

Anyway… about these irons…..

They don’t depend on anybody else

Your ‘rights’ are given to you by those in power and can equally be taken away. You have no control over what ‘rights’ you do and don’t have. Therefore they greatly depend on other people.

Universal human rights are what you have by virtue of being born

You don’t have them when born, you are given them when you are born. Equally they can be taken away.

The concept of Universal Human Rights as something everyone has is a joke. You only have to look at guantanamo bay to realise this.

Yet its the USA that leads the world in imprisonment per capita. O yes the land of the free

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_exe_percap-crime-executions-per-capita

Hmm not according to a quick google it doesnt…

China — the world’s top executioner — classifies the death penalty as a state secret. As the world and Olympic guests are left guessing, only the Chinese authorities know exactly how many people have been killed with state authorization.

From http://www.amnesty.org.au/news/comments/11957/

Amnesty seem to usually know of what they speak.

But either way ILG you come across as a monumental Charlie Uniform November Kilo and I usually do not stoop as low as to the futility of bothering to insult someone on the internerds.

one_happy_hippy – Member
Yet its the USA that leads the world in imprisonment per capita. O yes the land of the free
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_exe_percap-crime-executions-per-capita

Hmm not according to a quick google it doesnt…

China — the world’s top executioner — classifies the death penalty as a state secret. As the world and Olympic guests are left guessing, only the Chinese authorities know exactly how many people have been killed with state authorization.
From http://www.amnesty.org.au/news/comments/11957/

Amnesty seem to usually know of what they speak.

But either way ILG you come across as a monumental Charlie Uniform November Kilo and I usually do not stoop as low as to the futility of bothering to insult someone one the internerds.

well i do! go find a lorry and get youre head wedged under one of its wheels. How the Chines run their own country ant any thing to do with you.
No doubt another Socialist hippy with a 4 grand bike.

Are you by any chance the Chinese cultural attache?

And why won’t you answer the question about the irons? What are you trying to hide? I think we should be told!

Are you by any chance the Chinese cultural attache?

lol

How the Chines run their own country ant any thing to do with you.

Who do you suppose is “running China”? The mass of Chinese citizens? Or a few powerful guys at the top?

The concept of Universal Human Rights as something everyone has is a joke. You only have to look at guantanamo bay to realise this.

Everyone has rights. Whether those rights are respected or not is another matter.

Everyone has rights. Whether those rights are respected or not is another matter.

No they don’t. How can they? They don’t exist any more than god or underpants gnomes.

Binners i think he may mean the irons the chinese police use to beat you with. Of course he cant really talk about that openly as next time he visits they may not be a nice to him

How the Chines run their own country ant any thing to do with you.

I never said it did and I haven’t suggested that the ‘west’ is any better. I’m merely pointing out your mistakes and inaccuracies.

No doubt another Socialist hippy with a 4 grand bike

Actually I’d consider myself a liberal with a 6.5k bike, a 3k bike and a 2k bike but I don’t see what bearing the value of my possessions has on this.

As an aside I know a number of people who have lived and worked in China for up to a decade and I can assure you that from their experiences the image portrayed within metropolitan China is not that which is experienced by most of the indigenous population within rural China.

How the Chines run their own country ant any thing to do with you.
Who do you suppose is “running China”? The mass of Chinese citizens? Or a few powerful guys at the top?

actually the peoples party rule the country, there is a huge parliament and votes often go both ways. Any one could join the party and work their way up, Mao was a poor farmers child. There was also a revolution supported buy a large majority of the population. the government must keep improving their lives to maintain legitimacy, other wise they will suffer the same fate as the USSR and the Warsaw pact did in the 1980’s and 90’s. They collapsed due to their inability to supply their citizens with goods like those in the west. The organised economy will always fail that is why china introduced free market reforms. There right to rule is not maintained by democracy but rather improvement in living conditions.