The lad that's been stabbed and killed whilst robbing!

it must be great if a little dark up there eh? 😆

glitch thingy

An Englishman’s home is his castle.. (add whichever nation neccessary to remove cause for accusations of discrimination..)

There is nothing particularly precious about life. It’s abundant, cheap and springs from nothing. And being born comes with no special rights to survive. We in the west have some seriously warped ideas about life and death.

Perhaps we can give health and safety training to burglarz? Teach them to do a risk assessment before hitting somebody’s home. Avoid situations where they may get their off button hit by an occupant.

(Mr MC posting)

every aggravated burglary I’ve had any involvement in investigating was drug related (even it if was a mistaken identity and they’d raided the wrong house with machetes 😯 , they were after a drug dealer).

pitduck can you clarify the comment as I dont understand it.

gwj72 I am not sure why you think life is not precious nor am I sure what you think the east V west distinction is here.

I liked your deleted comment M-C 😀

Mr MC – your outrageous stereotyping appears to have gone missing.

Probably for the best, even if you were probably right.

Mr MC)

found it on similar thread in another forum, reconsidered it as I havent checked exactly where it is. Its our little secret 🙂

I am not sure why you think life is not precious nor am I sure what you think the east V west distinction is here.

Do you think life is precious then? Strikes me people are being born, getting killed and naturally shuffling off the mortal coil all the time. It’s unstoppable. Some kids in Africa are born and die having never eaten a proper meal. Completely innocent, law abiding citizens are slaughtered on a whim by elected governments on our behalf (and we don’t even vote them out). The poorest people in the world have the most children, making the problem worse through dilution of their already scarce resources.

Each of these people are precious to their loved ones. But precious per se they are not.

I live surrounded by sheep. I see new lambs born in the spring and then watch them go to slaughter in the autumn. The ewe’s hang around near the gate for a few days wondering where they have gone. Then move on. And the cycle begins anew.

Life itself is the true wonder of the universe. But no individual life is any more remarkable than another in the grand scheme of things. I make no distinction between lambs, saints or thieves.

Makes me feel better about all mi killinz.

gwj72 what a sad existence you must have

Makes me feel better about all mi killinz.

If you want to feel even better, just create a life each time you take one.
Become “life neutral”. There are waay too many humanz about already, so I’d suggest pollinating wild flowers or breeding chicks (I’ve got 2 so I figure I’m in credit).

I think your scale reference is true but you need to reduce your scale a bit. Cosmically nothing not even our galaxy is significant but that does not mean individual lives are not significant….not least to themselves hence why so few folk /creatures end it all voluntarily.

gwj72 what a sad existence you must have

Bit harsh. The guy has his outlook on life, and I am sure he not the only one who thinks like that.

gwj72 what a sad existence you must have

How so?
I don’t feel : (
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@JY – Life is significant for sure. Especially until such a time as we know how widespread it is in the universe (if it really is ubiquitous then it becomes less so for sure).

Individual lifes are significant only on a macro scale. So yes my own life is important to me – although not the most important as it happens. I’d give mine up for someone. And I wouldn’t expect it to matter to you.

Let me get this straight 😕 4 men with balaclavas break into your house in the dead of night and you will automatically assume theyre after your possessions and not there to rape and/or murder your family 😕

What a rose tinted world you exist in 🙄

pitduck can you clarify the comment as I dont understand it.

Im hazarding a guess at cloud cuckoo land 😉 😆

i was going for high horse or ivory tower personally but it was not clear.
In a discussion it is usually better to ask me what I think.
I value lives above possessions.
I would assume anyone in my house was after my possessions rather than to rape/murder my entire family [ I think burglary is slightly more common than family rape/murder]. I think facts will back up here so I am not sure why you think this is rose tinted.
i would defend myself and family I am less sure what I would do about things tbh.
A number on here seem to think if someone enters your property you can kill them or do as you please I dont agree though you can defend yourself.
I dont keep a weapon by my bed there are some kali sticks in there[and some forks oddly] I would probably have hold of them I may show some skill to deter them but I am less sure I would attack unless they come at me tbh.

I imagine that a burglar will usually be a lot more alert than a sleeping houseowner and would often be gone before a confrontation occurs..

that leaves you with a different type of intruder.. one that must be assumed to be extremely hostile and unpredictable..

Both times that I have encountered an intruder in my home I have ended up being the victim of a vicious assault.. If I found myself in a position to dominate the situation should it arise again I would not hesitate to do so.. Although initially I would try absolutely everything in my power to avoid resorting to violence..

I think of my home as a place where I and my family should feel secure and at peace and that security is sacred.. anyone entering anothers home without permission is breaking that sacrament and must understand that they may have to face the consequences..

Stand outside someone’s house one night and really think about the line you would be about to cross if you were to force entry..

never thought of that and you have a point as they have not chosen flight have they.

When someone enters your house they are effectively committing an assault on you and your family – possessions are the least of it.

Ask anyone who has been burgled how violated they feel and unsafe – some people are really badly affected.

So is ‘reasonable force’ the minimum that it takes to defend yourself or the minimum it takes to get the intruder to leave? Satisfactory minimum force when faced with 4 aggressive people intent on hurting may well require a shotgun.

the father of the stab victim has come out in support of defending your property –

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Father-Of-Stabbed-Burglar-John-Bennell-Says-Householders-Have-Right-To-Protect-Property/Article/201106416018554?lpos=World_News_Second_Home_Page_Article_Teaser_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_16018554_Father_Of_Stabbed_Burglar_John_Bennell_Says_Householders_Have_Right_To_Protect_Property

shouldve hid the body

mudshark – Member

So is ‘reasonable force’ the minimum that it takes to defend yourself or the minimum it takes to get the intruder to leave? Satisfactory minimum force when faced with 4 aggressive people intent on hurting may well require a shotgun.

I think – the minimum to prevent harm to yourself, your family or your possessions. It will vary depending on the risk – so one skinny kid you can’t hit him as hard as you could 4 huge men with baseball bats. A shotgun might be reasonable but I doubt it unless they have a gun – your shotgun should be under lock and key should it not?

So is ‘reasonable force’ the minimum that it takes to defend yourself or the minimum it takes to get the intruder to leave?

I would have thought than in your own home in reality you can use unreasonable force…you cannot unreasonably use it. That is you may decide to defend yourself with a golf club and hit them before they hit you -you may even do this a few times. You may even concuss them or break bones doing this. i think you will not be charged if this is what you do. Now try doing that to someone in the street and see what happens. It becomes unreasonable if the person has a broken jaw broken arm and is on the floor NO LONGER A THREAT TO YOU NO LONGER TRYING TO ROB and I then whack them some more breaking even more bones. That would be unreasonable

Satisfactory minimum force when faced with 4 aggressive people intent on hurting may well require a shotgun

Deadly force may be required if outnumbered yes. I would imagine as above. Killing them all may be OTT but I reckon you can get away with three and serious injuries to the 4 th.

Story of course we can have cases like this that are dropped before jury verdict ….

A shotgun might be reasonable but I doubt it unless they have a gun – your shotgun should be under lock and key should it not?

Well if I had one I might get it out on noticing the intruders if I had the chance; actually my Gran used to have one and fired it out of her front door when she head someone outside – she lives in a remote position but not sure she should have been doing that…. As for only being able to use a gun if the intruders have one well if they’re big enough a gun is the only thing that would stop them if they won’t stop through choice – even if they’re not armed in any way.

shotguns need to be stored in a cupboard under lock and key – two locks different keys + cartridges stored elsewhere so it would not be easy to get to in a situation like this.
Thats how my mates are stored his and I assume this is the law. Secured when not in use.

Thats how my mates are stored his and I assume this is the law. Secured when not in use.

“I heard a noise outside officer and thought it was a fox after my chickens. That’s why the gun was to hand.”

It is the law though and a sensible one too if you have children or psychopaths round for tea often.