The beginning of the long slide down for Cameron?

As for chemical weapons, we are not so innocent, during the second world war, uk was mass producing chemical weapons at Runcorn and delivering them for safe keping to Rhydymyn near Mold, the most secret place during the war,as the germans never discovered it, lots of deep tunnels and a secret tunnel to the coast.

Saw a quote this week- Obama is closer to Nixon than Martin luther King.

Obama and Nixon both have 5 letters so you may have a point.

Obama’s version would be “I have a drone” then….

Wow. Obama now says Syria threatens the US’ s security and interests.

I’m moving him closer to Bush.

We had chemical weapons in WW2. So what. The key point is we didn’t deploy them. We currently have nukes as a whole arsenal of other weaponry.

today’s blog in The Telegraph sums it up pretty well from my perspective

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100233350/miliband-was-governed-by-narrow-political-interests-not-the-national-interests-or-those-of-syrian-children/

What, you like the bloke who wrote that article is a bit a of drama queen?

So?

The Yanks used atomic bombs on soft targets
And various napalam, defolliation chemicals and Agent Orange indescriminantly.

Lets not beat around the Bush. The US are **** hypocrites.

Sir Max Hastings’ s interview is worth listening to.

Hague and Cameron are both trying to do the right thing but by doing that they are following (the will of the people) instead of leading us to do the right thing.
Milliband how the hell is he a leader? Hes a joke and the wrong Milliband was voted in completely. Foolish decision, would sooner follow a true leader to war and take mankind forward than listen to the reationary rubbish that man comes out with.
Leader……. Milliband? Come on!

scotroutes – Member

Did you actually watch/listen to the debate last night? Miliband isn’t opposing war, he just wants a higher level of “proof”.

ok fair point but ill take a higher level of proof of guilt over camerons motion to vote yes to unilateral action, the details of which we’ll discuss later, wtf would anyone vote for that?

All of a sudden the right wingers seem to be wishing Tony Blair was running labour again?

its a crazy world

even suggesting david ‘extraordinary rendtition’ milliband was in charge

We need a captain to steer the ship, i dont care if they are labour conservative or whatever just need to be insperational. Cant imagine Milliband leading a brass band let alone a country FFS!

How about Boris, is he inspirational enough for you ?

Yeah a leader – might be a little mad though?

Surely you need to be a little mad to be a great leader ?

But not as mad as Milliband cause hes just plain daft..

As Ernie has already pointed out: there wasn’t a peep out of them when the israeli’s were dropping white phosphorous on Palestinian children, but now appear to be horrified by chemical weapons in Syria.

Forget the comparisons with Iraq. Getting involved in a civil war? An alliance with France? Against an enemy being supported by Russia and China? More Vietnam, than iraq. About the only (of many) American military follies we sensibly stated well out of! We’ll be equally as glad we stayed out of this one. The French will soon disappear. Just like they did before.

Someone certainly needs to leads you to enlightenment I will give you that

We had chemical weapons in WW2. So what. The key point is we didn’t deploy them

Why do you think we had them – was it just that during the war we thought hey lets waste loads of resources on making something we have no intention whatsoever of ever using and then secretly store it.
Clearly it was made because it would have been used – presumably if we were invaded or as a last cause or some such.

Thats exactly their intention Junkyard. Churchill directed the project.

The storage facility still exists. Search 28days later forum.

I’m glad Churchill directed that particular project, its what I’d expect a great leader to do.

so you must like the great syrian leader even more as not only did he do this he also deployed them

Saddam Hussein was too daft to realise that all great leaders have a ready supply of chemical weapons.

But President Assad reminds me a little of Winston Churchill. It’s those great leadership qualities I think.

No Churchill had the foresight to protect this country by whatever means if we were invaded. As i said, a great leader…..

Assad has done exactly the same thing so why is not a great leader?

Are we really comparing assad with Churchill???
Come on now, that’s pretty disgraceful.

Yep, as I said ….. Saddam Hussein lacked those great leadership qualities. What sort of pisspoor leader had no chemical weapons ready to use when their country is invaded ?

Bashar al-Assad on the other hand………Churchillian stature

Are we really comparing assad with Churchill???

Well yes. Apparently great leaders have chemical weapons ready to be used if their country is invaded.

Just exposing the hatred junkyard and ernie have for their own country 😉

Well yes. Apparently great leaders have chemical weapons ready to be used if their country is invaded.

Should I get some for my house? Just in case?

I think the real baddy is whoever supplied those chemical weapons in the full knowledge of how they worked.

We should declare war on them.

Oh….

🙂

….that’ll be Russia then.

A time of war is no time to start trusting your enemy – you have to cover all bases to protect your own skin. Its kill or be killed time. Of course if Hitler was successful in landing troops on the ground in England and we had become entranced in a WW1 style trench warfare and Hitler started chucking chemical weapons around, then we were prepared to retaliate – but it is worth noting that during the whole of WW2 both sides did not resort to using chemical weapons in open combat – though unfortunately they gassed the Jews in the camps. There is a gulf of difference between covering your options and bases, and actually using the things.

Assad clearly is a great leader just as Hitler was. He’s managed to stay in charge through this whole crisis so far, so people are prepared to follow him, just as a whole nation followed Hitler into a World War, i’m sure against their better personal judgements. They were great leaders, though their aims and objectives are clearly wrong and abhorrent.

Are we really comparing assad with Churchill???

bloodynora seems to be

Should I get some for my house? Just in case?

Best find out whether bloody nora likes you or not so I can decide if it is good or bad.

Of course if Hitler was successful in landing troops on the ground in England

I assume you mean Britain when you say England there?

F*** me, Hammond is talking like he’s actually experienced something other than comfy university, boardrooms and parliament. As if he’s has a ****ing clue what soldiers think. What a Jeremy hunt.

bloodynora – Member

Just exposing the hatred junkyard and ernie have for their own country

Well nora you didn’t mention either me or Junkyard. You only mentioned Churchill.

And you mentioned Churchill only to point out that you expect “great leaders” to have chemical weapons at their disposal ready to use if threatened.

Only someone with your level of logic would think that it was a good idea to make that point on a thread which is discussing how to deal with President Assad alleged use of chemical weapons.

So I guess it’s well in keeping with your irrational logic to claim that what you were in fact really saying was that me and Junkyard hate our country.

What’s the calm down comment for zippykona ? Nora seems very relaxed adding winkies to his post, and I find his comments hugely entertaining.

And meanwhile, the Syrian civil war goes on, with no idea or plan on how to bring it to an end, other than firing a limited number of cruise missiles at them for a bit and hoping for the best 🙁

Is it me or is the BBC being particularly hawkish on Syria? More graphic images, emotive tone and language than I can remember for a long time, although granted video phones allow access to more raw footage. Feels like there are a few over eager editors with agendas. Watching Newsnight, there was a slow zooming shot into the face of a clearly distressed aid worker just back from the scene of the presumed napalm attack.