That Maxxis "babes calendar" article…

What percentage of the population manage to partake in responsible objectification with out resort to sex crimes or it cultivating a unhealthy attitude to the opposite sex.

1) that’s the wrong question. The question you need to be asking is “what percentage don’t?“

2) WTAF is “responsible objectification” when it’s at home?

Forcing self censorship

Again, we’re going round in circles, I’ve said this before. It’s not “forcing” anything, it’s bringing to Maxxis’ (etc) attention that a group of people don’t like what they’re doing. They’re perfectly free to review their policies or ignore the feedback completely as they see fit. They might decide that actually, they don’t care because it raises money / is a bit of fun / appeals to their target audience / keeps young models in work / whatever, but at least they can make an informed decision rather than being oblivious.

I have worked in the building trade all my life and never witnessed anyone shout look at the tits on that.
How many times have you witnessed that cougar .

Fair comment, I probably haven’t. Building trade was an unfair example, I was playing to a stereotype. However, I have seen groups of lads do it to random women on the street many, many times.

It’s interesting in a way if they have really pulled it as a result of this feedback – because that implies that somebody with power there doesn’t agree with the arguments made here by chip, dan et al.

Cougar do you view porn.
Has it turn you into sex pervert shouting sexual abuse at young ladies.

If the answer is yes then no.
Then that is responsible objectification. I made that up really.
But you get what it means

Cougar do you view porn.

I don’t watch sport particularly, bar the occasional game of something I might be particularly interested in like the Superbowl or something. Mostly I’d rather go and do something in person.

Same goes for porn really.

I’m a bit out of touch – what are the special occasions in porn which you do watch? 😉

You did not mention builders as far as I am aware.
I just see us heading for a nanny state what happened to taking responsibility of your own actions.
Plenty of people indulge in objectification with out it leading to a twisted view of the opposite sex.
And saying these calendars cause such behaviour is a cop out that some feminists might use as an excuse to get there own way.

I’m a bit out of touch – what are the special occasions in porn which you do watch?

Weddings, funerals, bar mitvahs.

You did not mention builders as far as I am aware.

Ah, good (so why bring it up?) I did type builders initially, then deleted it, hence my confusion. (I’m not very well I’m afraid, sorry)

I just see us heading for a nanny state what happens to taking responsibility of your own actions.

Slippery slope?

And saying these calendars cause such behaviour is a cop out that some feminists might use as an excuse to get there own way.

It’ll make a change from the men always getting their way, hey?

Because I am one and stereotypically are blamed for such behaviour.

And saying these calendars cause such behaviour is a cop out that some feminists might use as an excuse to get there own way.
It’ll make a change from the men always getting their way, hey?

I said feminists, not women. You are sick.

The fact is that some men do have dodgy attitudes and sexual behaviour, and they’re not getting them from a vacuum – they’re coming from somewhere.

I’d say they get them from observing real life, not fantasies – from watching how their family and friends act, and from the roles that society has given women. Women have been “second class citizens” for centuries, long before Maxxis calendars, or any other calendars. That’s a theory, and as 2 datapoints to support it, I mentioned Sweden and Saudi Arabia.

I am not against the sex industry. Although I do not watch porn.

Not even special occasion porn like Cougar?

its probably special porn he watches

Because men aren’t marginalised, objectified, victimised and generally viewed (by some people) as second-class citizens in the same way women are.

and yet we allow ‘faith’ schools to exist in this country that are indoctrinating their children with views like this.

There was story in the news recently about a school governor that had to sit “out of sight” of the men at an Islamic school.

An ex-labour councilor was on LBC reciting similar issues when canvassing, how the women of the ‘asian’ households where directed by the men as to how they should vote (this was incidental to the issue she had phoned in to talk about).

We court relationships with countries that force their schoolchildren to burn to death in a fire at a school because they were not correctly attired to be seem in public and therefore leave the building to escape the fire.

and yet we allow ‘faith’ schools to exist in this country that are indoctrinating their children with views like this.

Yep, it’s disgusting. Religion has no place in delivering education. If it was up to me I’d get rid of CofE, Catholic and Islamic schools. Unfortunately, while this country is happy to allow CofE and Catholic schools, it’s on a bit of a hypocritical sticky wicket criticising some of the more ‘hardline’ Islamic schools. It’s not like Carholisism has a particularly strong record on misogyny, after all.

and yet we allow

Another brick in the wall…

wow they took it down – not just the calendar but the whole babes marketing thing!
http://www.maxxis.co.uk/babes%5B/url%5D

Thats a great acheivment and makes me feel less cynical about the world. Props also to Maxxis for listening. I wonder if they’ll still have “babes” at MX events and trade shows….

(I expect this may well have already been posted up and I’ve not seen it cos the thread has a gazillion posts)

that’s good.

(traumatised guys please note that other naff mtb calendars featuring scantily clad young women remain available – as an eyebrow-raising google image search just now has confirmed)

If we dealt with all the more important issues first, before getting to how to sell tyres without annoying your customers, we’d have a bit of a wait. If I applied similar rules to my life I’d never make a cup of tea.

Blah blah blah blah blah

Wow, I didn’t know that the babes were a thing in their own right, not just a calendar..

They are their promotional models mole grips the sort 100s of company’s not just the motor sport trade use at events, shows and race days.

The sort I think you have previously claimed to not agreeing with.

37 pages and you did not even read the link on the calendar

You are so STW 😉

Indeed very progressive of them to do charity work with “babes”

Given molgrips’ revelation, can we start the thread again?

They are their promotional models mole grips the sort 100s of company’s not just the motor sport trade use at events, shows and race days.

Does that make it ok?

The sort I think you have previously claimed to not agreeing with.

And I still don’t. That’s wow as in ‘wow that’s bad’ not ‘wow look at that lovely crumpet’

SHall we do it xmas day to give us somethign to do?

Does that make it ok?

It does not bother me either way.

don’t. That’s wow as in ‘wow that’s bad’ not ‘wow look at that lovely crumpet’

Wow made me believe you were surprised that such things went on. And the use of babes by maxxis was exceptionally bad.

I’m off to the dentist for a check up mole grips, see you later.

Those Maxxis babes are probably now going to be made redundant just in time for Christmas – well done STW I hope you feel proud of yourselves 🙁

won’t someone think of the glamour models…

That’s what got us into this mess in the first place. (-:

This is the longest car crash ever. I’m glad I lost the will to live 20-odd pages ago..

read the first 2 pages and the last 2 pages…didnt have time for the other 32..

Can I assume its 32 pages of bickering between the usual hand wringing suspects and those that are taking the stance of ‘its not really a big deal, don’t like it don’t buy it’…

Culmination being that the calender is pulled being seen as a victory for the PC brigade?

I asked a few female mates about this calander last night in the pub, none of them gave a shit about it..

Which begs the question why, if 4 perfectly balanced females don’t consider it offensive in the least, why do a bunch of middle aged mountainbiking nerds…?

That’ll be either because they haven’t grown up yet OR they’ve been conditioned to accept it by a male-dominated society.

Allegedly.

Well if I must…but no more:

Because perfectly balanced though they may be, they aren’t spokespersons for womenhood, and shouldn’t be thought of that way. An anecdote from a few other women doesn’t nullify the argument. There’s probably an analogy about racism from using this kind of anecdotal argument, but that was pages 33-34 or something, best not go there again. But I think you can guess what I mean.

Shockingly, the default female view isn’t necessarily a feminist or gender equality one. So really the gender of a person doesn’t necessarily define their view on sexism or gender equality, and nor should it. Hence why ‘middle-aged mtb nerds’* are talking about it, as they should.

*i’m not middle-aged

Nerd.

But when a couple of women posting on here said they disagreed with it. I was instructed by the against middle aged nerds that I had heard it from the horses mouth and my argument was invalid because of this.

*i don’t ride a mountainbike

Yup. I can think of worse things to be 🙂