Tesla’s look dated ?

probably pre-tax. Could be as little as £273 impact on take home (effective tax rate of 61%)

Post-tax. It’s £1200 gross on a salary sacrifice deal.

£700 per month with no deposit for 36 month lease on a Model 3 Performance with unlimited mileage, fully maintained, insured for me and spouse with business use, plus any tyres and recovery is an absolute bargain. It’s classed as a company car because it’s on a salary sacrifice deal through my employer and I get a car allowance sufficient to fund it.

Bensales – If you’re paying £700pcm for a Model 3, I’m thinking you’re an outlier to the general purchase demographic.

The Model 3 range goes from £40,000 to £60,000 (excluding options). They’re not cheap for anyone. Even the seemingly spectacular NHS lease prices are balanced out by the battering NHS employees pensions take when a car is taken.

Even the seemingly spectacular NHS lease prices are balanced out by the battering NHS employees pensions take when a car is taken.

I could have 2 E-trons for that and still have over £100 leftover. My pension is still final salary based for a couple of years, even then it’s not that big of difference.

I do wonder how values of current ev’s. Will hold up when the tech is moving so fast, and a car sold now is liable to Be seriously outdated in 3 years time.especially with. All the mainstream manufacturers getting up to speed with ev’s.

The only thing that would make an EV seriously outdated would be a step change in battery tech and that’s not going to be coming in three years. I reckon for the next 2-3 years EVs, even Teslas, will be supply constrained which will keep the prices up.

Re legacy auto getting “up to speed”. They talk a good game about all the new models they have in their pipelines for commercialisation in 2022-23-24-25 but they never say how many vehicles they intend to make becuase they know they will be constrained by battery availability so don’t expect oodles of electric Fords, Vauxhalls, Nissans etc coming off the productuion lines any time soon.

Not sure how to word this question to get my point across, but has anyone bought an eV outright (either just with cash, or with some kind of loan secured not on the car) and hence is taking on the risk of residual values themselves, rather than buying either on a straight lease, or some kind of pcp scheme where the manufacturer guarantees that it won’t cost you more than £x to own the car for the period

Yes, its a gamble, but then i’m not paying any interest to anyone either and can claimn 100% of its value through capital allowance. ( buying through limited company)
So far, on the 3 new commercial vehicles I have bought, I have “lost” less than I would had I taken them on PCP deals. In fact the van I have now , I can sell for more than I paid for it.
( obviously only because of the current situation)

£700 per month with no deposit for 36 month lease on a Model 3 Performance with unlimited mileage, fully maintained, insured for me and spouse with business use, plus any tyres and recovery is an absolute bargain. It’s classed as a company car because it’s on a salary sacrifice deal through my employer and I get a car allowance sufficient to fund it.

It’s your money, but. Wow.

Tesla looks more pedestrain friendly (less nasty to be hit with) and has better visibility. Elegant and aero rather than butch heavy. I’ll take the Tesla.

lol…..only Ed would choose a car based on its ability to hit pedestrians! 🤣

It’s your money, but. Wow.

New cars are expensive and I happily earn enough to have one. Ten years ago I was knocking around in a Focus that cost me £700 outright. I choose to spend that money on a car because I like nice cars and I can afford it. Others choose to buy expensive pushbikes… 🙂

I choose to spend that money on a car because I like nice cars and I can afford it. Others choose to buy expensive pushbikes…

Fair enough, I am not trying to be judgemental but it just sounds a lot to me – I currently have a very nice car (new Merc GLC 300d AMG) and could afford to spend more but I just couldn’t personally justify quite that amount of money (which is more than double what I pay a month).

I got the basic one as a company car in March, never sat in one before ordering. Wanted to move to electric due to bik. Tesla was 4 weeks delivery everything else was 6 months plus. So I chose M3 to get asap as 6 months wait would have cost 2k in tax.

Looks certainly divid opinion, mine black so hides it more than lighter colours. I especially like it around the rear quarter view.

One things for sure I have never had a car where so many people approach and ask to look at it, school kids love it and the odd shout of cool car mate from teenagers!

Regularly do 500 mile round trips in a day and honestly now glad I got it for the ease of the charger network. Had a guy in an Audi trying to plug in as the two on Gordano services were for other cars were broken.

8 months in paint and build is match for any other car I’ve had and not one issue I’ve had to get sorted.

What sort of price are we predicting for a 3 yearold ex-lease Tesla 3, EV6, Ionic5, MachE etc. in about 2023? (eg, the mid size, £40-50k new bracket)

Put the Model 3 SR+ I just returned in WBAC.com July 2019 (so 2.5 yrs old) 26k miles = £34000. No idea how accurate WBAC.com is tho

as a related question, do they still need to have factory fitted towbar for bike carriers ?

I think there are a couple of companies that do aftermarket tow bars now for bikes only. Will imagine it will become more popular now it’s not an option

I choose to spend that money on a car because I like nice cars and I can afford it. Others choose to buy expensive pushbikes…

Yup exactly. Or moderately priced houses

Dated? Polestar is not to my taste. Though their

As folks have said, the Model 3 view from the inside is great. Nearly as good as from inside the Model X.

Model S still looks neat IMO. And it has barely changed since 2012.

Biased as current cars are Tesla and replacements will be.

They remind me of the Chrysler neon from some angles

nice car (new Merc GLC 300d AMG) and could afford to spend more but I just couldn’t personally justify quite that amount of money (which is more than double what I pay a month).

depends on your use though. If you do 20,000 miles a year, I bet your car would cost a chunk more on lease, plus ~£200 a month on fuel, maybe a further £100 on tyres, tax, insurance and so on. Total monthly spend could easily add up to more than £700 pcm. I wouldn’t personally throw £25k at borrowing a car over 3 years, but I also don’t spend a huge amount of time in one, so the niceties are somewhat wasted

One things for sure I have never had a car where so many people approach and ask to look at it, school kids love it and the odd shout of cool car mate from teenagers!

Genuinely exactly the same experience I’ve had especially the school kids (youtube generation I assume) and yet the grandad’s on here say it looks dated, go figure?

That’s very much an electric thing, people here the humm or spaceship noise and are intrigued. Kids love them, the neighbours grandkids use to run out to see mine when I got home.

My Tesla was completely silent mate, you’re doing your Tesla hater thing again. I honestly think it’s a YouTube thing.

My Tesla was completely silent mate, you’re doing your Tesla hater thing again.

Sigh! I’m not I had this with my GTE and now with Audi, the GTE was silent but E-tron makes spaceship noice that young kids love. Both have got people attention as they are electric/hybrid and it’s still a novelty.

Genuinely exactly the same experience I’ve had especially the school kids (youtube generation I assume) and yet the grandad’s on here say it looks dated, go figure?

It’s because we were around in the 80s and 90s looking at cars!

Re the noise – some EVs make it some appear not to. Mine does, it whines slightly especially at motorway speeds. There’s an additional optional noise you can add, but it’s just the same whine but louder. And it doesn’t change pitch either, which makes it really rather annoying. My Prius whined a bit too, I could recognise it coming down the hill before I could see it. The Amazon delivery vans however are silent and a bit deadly.

Rivian R1s looks good possibly not so much from the front.

https://rivian.com/

Ok Drac, My VW has a spaceship sound and I can guarantee you with reasonable confidence that the local school kids will not be the slightest bit interested other than a passing glance. In the Tesla I had school kids waving in that “Hi Dad” joke thing you used to do with your mates as a kid when a special car pulled up. Obviously they were getting a bit mixed up between my basic 3 and the model S and X, but the fact remains that Tesla is making an impact with the younger generation and I think it’s probably YouTube based

It may well do but it’s certainly something I’ve experienced too.

What VW had the spaceship sound?

@molgrips all new EVs from October last year have to produce a sound when below 30 mph.

It’s a good idea but the sound doesn’t need to be so grating for the occupants of the vehicle..!

(700 net all inclusive salary sacrifice deduction for a Tesla Model 3 Performance)

I could have 2 E-trons for that and still have over £100 leftover. My pension is still final salary based for a couple of years, even then it’s not that big of difference.

Out of interest I had a look at my company car list to see what an E-tron was, as a few colleagues have them.

Anywhere between £600 and £700 per month all inclusive depending on spec level.

Jaguar i-Pace between £500 and £700.

The Model 3 is £450 to £700 depending on model.

And repeat for clarity, those lease prices are net salary sacrifice all inclusive of
* unlimited mileage
* no deposit
* 36 months
* fully comp business insurance for driver and spouse/partner
* any tyres
* any maintenance
* recovery
* zero effect on any pension or other company benefits

@molgrips all new EVs from October last year have to produce a sound when below 30 mph.

My A250e makes a kind of grumbling noise when travelling forwards at anything less than 17mph . It can be heard in the cabin but isn’t particularly irritating. The pitch does change as the car accelerates/decelerates.

When the car is reversing, it makes a low level beeping sound (like parking sensors but constant and coming from an external speaker) to warn people the car is, or is just about to reverse.

Makes more sense Ben. – I assume only about half to 2 thirds of what you are paying actually goes to covering the car cost.

Out of interest I had a look at my company car list to see what an E-tron was, as a few colleagues have them.

Yeah it’s a huge discount that Audi offer, there was a Tesla deal but I can’t recall how much it was, it was more though. Everything is covered too but as you say it has an effect on my pension, but it’s not huge.

All that matters is if you’re happy to pay that for the car you want and like. It staggers me how much people pay for other things that I’d not.

I’m on a contributory scheme through my employer. It blows my mind that I have access to such a vehicle. I grew up without much cash for posh cars, (we had a rusty austin maestro then an elderly Astra. 😬)

I pay £200 a month for a car that cost more than my annual wage, I can live with the looks!

It has universal insurance for any driver I approve, I’m happy to pay my good fortune forward and let my friends use it where possible. 👍

Re. how the prices of current EV’s will hold up… how do you think the price of a diesal SUV will hold up. Friend has the choice of repairing or replacing his 2012 A4 allroad.. he’æs decided to repair as there are only 3 new VAG group diesal SUV’s available to buy in this part of Norway. Noone is stocking them as noone wants to buy them. Dead technology

It’s going to be a tough life for legacy manufacturers who’ve fallen behind.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-59357306

how do you think the price of a diesal SUV will hold up. Friend has the choice of repairing or replacing his 2012 A4 allroad.. he’æs decided to repair as there are only 3 new VAG group diesal SUV’s available to buy in this part of Norway

depends over what time frame you look etc, but right now (cos of covid etc), the wifes diesel ford kuga is worth approx 500 quid less (using a webuyanycar value) than we paid for it 3 years ago – we bought it at about 1 year old from ford dealer.

How long values will stay strong for – I dont know, and when we bought it, this certainly wasnt what I expected to happen.

The plan with the kuga was to buy it and keep for at least 10 years, to the point that it became uneconomical to run then we’d scrap it – and thats still the plan…

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-59357306

Something doesn’t ring true about that story. When a phone is set up as a key, it’s the phone’s Bluetooth identifier that is registered with that car. And it only uses Bluetooth to determine if the phone is close to unlock and start.

I’ve just exited the Tesla app, rebooted my iPhone, turned off Wi-Fi and mobile data, and gone out to my car. It unlocked and started fine.

Absolutely the app won’t connect to the car if there’s no internet connectivity or the servers at Tesla are down, but if someone is using that mechanism to start their car (you can remote start through the app to let others drive when you’re not there), then they’re using it wrong and it’s their own fault.

It’s wise to carry one of the key cards with you as well, just in case.

Something doesn’t ring true about that story. When a phone is set up as a key, it’s the phone’s Bluetooth identifier that is registered with that car.

dunno, I dont have a tesla so have no idea – but the article says that musk said he will make changes to ensure it doesnt happen again – so must be something in it.

Yeah, I looked at the tweet. Someone moaned the app wouldn’t connect and Musk admitted they’d bugger something up and would fix it.

Nothing about not being able to drive their car. I wonder if the BBC assumed that the app was necessary to drive and 1+1=4.

Yeah that’s a none story, it would be like me not being able to lock/unlock my car through the app when I could just use the key.

Possibly related news is that the beeb have a documentary looking at the ethics of teslas production lines this week – not that they’d ever report a story to act as a proxy trailer for a TV show.

Regularly do 500 mile round trips in a day and honestly now glad I got it for the ease of the charger network.

@sidders34, and other Tesla owners – what is the real life range like going at a decent speed on the motorway.

Tesla quote 360 miles for the M3 long range, but how far would it go at 90mph? Furthest I have to drive with work is 280miles (one way) – I’d ideally want to be able to bash that out in one go, then have a bit of range left over to get to a charger on the way back.