Tesla’s look dated ?

I’m fortunate/unfortunate that bough to have driven a lot of different EV’s now & there is literally a handful of them I would consider over a Tesla. They are all double, triple or more times the price.

I think this is a point people forget the model 3 although pricey is er a budget model, you do get a lot of bang per buck thou.

I also think its not that photogenic as it has way more lines in the flesh, it’s not as curvy as you’d think and with the white seats and minimalist interior it’s definitely different.

And of course it drives so badly,you really wouldn’t want one 🙂

as an a to b tool, it’s brilliant.

Which I suppose is whats it all about 🙂

Wasn’t the Model 3 the best selling car in Europe last month?

Yea, I wasn’t talking about last month. I mean coming up as there’s been a few new releases and more due soon.

Kia EV6 for the win

Ioniq5 ftw!
If have one if I could afford it. Best looking hatch out there.
4wd with enough range to get the family to whistler and back for a day of skiing. Perfect.
Can’t afford one though 🙁 but it looks great

That’s a lot of range and a long way to go for a week-end’s skiing……

Got a model 3 in grey and love it, some angles do look a bit funny but move a bit and it looks brilliant, and those funny looks do make it very slippy through the air and gives efficiency that other ev’s can only dream about, love it or hate it it’s a modern classic.

Kia EV6

It’s not hugely important, but given the price, build quality, unpleasant interior and now lack of advantage in range there are better options which are also better looking. It’s rapidly lose the market in Europe now there is a growing range from the mainstream manufacturers.

more FACTS from the expert who doesn’t own a Tesla or have the faintest clue what he’s on about. 😂

Model 3 is a bit odd looking at the front though, can’t disagree with the OP. The front view out is extraordinary as a result of that design though so it’s almost worth it.

It would be interesting to know how many people have actually spent their own money to purchase a Model 3. – As a company issued ‘tool’ for doing a job, the price point and charging network still make it hard to beat for many I imagine.

Is it normal for a £50k car to be the best seller? That does seem quite remarkable. I’m guessing they’re doing better than most in the chip shortage for some reason.

Davros – I’m not up to speed with the befit in kind / tax benefits in the rest of Europe, but in the UK I’m sure the high sales will be driven primarily by company leases from low BIK. – The model 3 really does seem to be replacing the vehicle of choice for the company reps that would have driven the BMW 3 series / Audi A4

more FACTS from the expert who doesn’t own a Tesla or have the faintest clue what he’s on about

Why are you posting past figures when I’m talking about what will happen now there’s more options?

I wasn’t talking about last month. I mean coming up as there’s been a few new releases and more due soon.

He’s been out and bought himself a crystal ball

I suspect Drac might have been one of those people who two years ago was saying that Tesla would go bust. So now he’s on the “just wait till the OEMs bring out their EVs” band wagon. I can understand people simply saying they don’t like the looks and that’s it, not on their list. It’s those that seem to have an agenda to hate them, I find strange. Anyway, whatever, my Tesla went back on Wednesday after 2 happy years and I’m now in a VW ID3, so maybe he’s right 😯

I don’t have any future figures to post.

The top selling thing is a marketing ploy by Tesla. In reality their cars are not yet very popular, but they batch their registrations (either every 3 or 6 months) so the spike looks high. On an annual basis Tesla are tiny, the model 3 is the 12th best selling car in the UK over the last 12 months..

VAUXHALL CORSA 53353
FORD FIESTA 47533
VOLKSWAGEN GOLF 46095
MERCEDES A CLASS 41374
FORD PUMA 38027
NISSAN QASHQAI 35621
FORD FOCUS 33901
VOLKSWAGEN POLO 32505
VOLVO XC40 31717
VOLKSWAGEN TIGUAN 31038
MINI COOPER 30080
TESLA MODEL 3 27656

If that’s the case they’ve stitched me right up. 🤦🏻‍♂️😂

Ah that makes more sense. It always used to be fiesta, Corsa, polo etc near the top. Small and cheap(er) rather than high performance and expensive.

I’m sure you know this 5lab, but it’s not some sinister marketing ploy, it’s about logistics and not having new cars in transit on the high seas at the end of a quarter. So you’ll get 4 ships full of cars unloading in Southampton one month and none the next, as all those cars are being sold in the home market to ensure not having anything in transit at Q end. That’s my understanding anyhow

poor visibility, so poor they need cameras

Cars don’t have cameras because of poor visibility, they have them for convenience. And I must admit that they are great (my current car is the first one with a reversing camera). After a slightly hesitant start, I love it – I never found it hard to reverse before, but it makes it so much easier with a camera.

Cars don’t have cameras because of poor visibility, they have them for convenience. And I must admit that they are great (my current car is the first one with a reversing camera). After a slightly hesitant start, I love it – I never found it hard to reverse before, but it makes it so much easier with a camera.

100% agree with that, even more so in a van. Probably had half a dozen occasions where some idiot has walked directly behind me when im clearly in reverse. The cross traffic sensors are great for reversing out where you are not sighted too, as are blind spot indicators on your wing mirrors.

None of it necessary to drive, but only go to make things safer which is no bad thing.

I don’t know if I’m getting old or the shape of cars is changing, but I find pretty much all the newer cars we’ve own recently so difficult to reverse with any degree of accuracy. I dread to think how many trips to the paint shop I be making if it wasn’t for the various beeps / cameras.

I’m sure you know this 5lab, but it’s not some sinister marketing ploy, it’s about logistics and not having new cars in transit on the high seas at the end of a quarter. So you’ll get 4 ships full of cars unloading in Southampton one month and none the next, as all those cars are being sold in the home market to ensure not having anything in transit at Q end. That’s my understanding anyhow

its possible, for sure, but no other manufacturer runs like this – so either they’re gaming their figures to suit their earnings reports or gaming their figures to suit the “cars sold in a month” headlines, or both..

If that’s the case they’ve stitched me right up.

😂

its possible, for sure, but no other manufacturer runs like this – so either they’re gaming their figures to suit their earnings reports or gaming their figures to suit the “cars sold in a month” headlines, or both..

Are any other manufacturers shipping in the same sort of volume to the UK from the US or China though? Not saying they don’t game their figures at all (selling the carbon credits being the biggest) but until the Berlin plant comes online they don’t have the convenience of shipping from European/UK plants

It would be interesting to know how many people have actually spent their own money to purchase a Model 3. – As a company issued ‘tool’ for doing a job, the price point and charging network still make it hard to beat for many I imagine.

Mine is a company car. I still have to contribute £700 a month to it for three years, so I count that very firmly in “spending my own money on it”.

Yes, it’s a little odd from some angles, but then all cars have sides that aren’t so good.

The build quality is fine. It’s better than my previous Jaguar XF which was more expensive, and as good as any 3 series I’ve been in.

Personally I like the minimalist interior, but as with the exterior, taste is subjective.

Overall, I’ll never go back to using an ICE vehicle. EV is so much more pleasant and easy to drive, and Tesla particularly makes EV ownership absolutely painless. I’ve driven all over the country for my job, and I’ve never worried about charging. I even drove Birmingham to Fort William a couple of weeks ago, and left home with 10% battery. Not a problem, and don’t take me any longer to do that drive than it had taken in an ICE vehicle, and I’ve done that drive a lot, so can easily compare.

I still have to contribute £700 a month

£700 A MONTH?????? Towards a company car?

£700 A MONTH?????? Towards a company car?

probably pre-tax. Could be as little as £273 impact on take home (effective tax rate of 61%)

Model 3 is a bit odd looking at the front though,

This.

Over the last 20 years car manufacturers have made the “radiator grill” more and more of a feature. Compare a 90s BMW or Audi with the equivalent current model – the “radiator grill” is massive now.

Tesla comes along and goes completely the other way – it looks weird and retro because it doesn’t fit with other current cars.

Show someone from the 90s a current BMW and they’d hate it – the massive “radiator grill” would have been considered hideous.

Show someone from the 90s a current BMW and they’d hate it – the massive “radiator grill” would have been considered hideous.

Nah. Anyone from any time ever would agree that most new BMWs actually are hideous.

I’m sure you know this 5lab, but it’s not some sinister marketing ploy, it’s about logistics and not having new cars in transit on the high seas at the end of a quarter. So you’ll get 4 ships full of cars unloading in Southampton one month and none the next, as all those cars are being sold in the home market to ensure not having anything in transit at Q end. That’s my understanding anyhow

11 ships full of Model 3 and Model Y on the way from Shanghai to Europe. December looks like being a bumper month. Source https://fmossott.github.io/TeslaCarriersMap/

In reality their cars are not yet very popular

Well anecdotally, it’s by far the most popular EV round here.

I’d shortlist one and try to ignore the ugliness if it could tow 1500kg, but it can only do 1200kg.

£700 A MONTH?????? Towards a company car?

wow, just wow.

Bensales – If you’re paying £700pcm for a Model 3, I’m thinking you’re an outlier to the general purchase demographic.

Not sure how to word this question to get my point across, but has anyone bought an eV outright (either just with cash, or with some kind of loan secured not on the car) and hence is taking on the risk of residual values themselves, rather than buying either on a straight lease, or some kind of pcp scheme where the manufacturer guarantees that it won’t cost you more than £x to own the car for the period.

I do wonder how values of current ev’s. Will hold up when the tech is moving so fast, and a car sold now is liable to Be seriously outdated in 3 years time.especially with. All the mainstream manufacturers getting up to speed with ev’s.

I don’t think I’d be taking on that risk for any kind of car right now, too much is changing

Julians – Yes, albeit through a limited company. – It is a risk which I considered as well. Only time will tell.

I did. My i3 was bought under a loan. It’ll be mine to own in May. To me it doesn’t matter what the future value will be, it’s about overall ownership cost over a period. I’d like the I3 to last 8 years which would mean the total cost would be £2500 a year including fuel, tax and servicing. £20k for owning and running a car over 8 years and 10k miles a year isn’t too bad to me. Charging has almost always been free for us, so we’ve only spent £70-£100 on electrons in 38000 miles. Servicing is roughly £100-£120 a year. No tax. Insurance and consumables you’d have with any car.

I think Teslas always look better in real life. I think they generally seem to “take” a bad photo. have to say though I agree about the build quality comments, the shut lines and finish on some I’ve seen isn’t fabulous

Yep, the Tesla 3 especially, it photographs like an Astra 3 door / coupe from a few years ago, IRL they’re actually surprisingly swoopy and the curves remind me of a late Mazda RX7 which was a very pretty car.

I think blandness, certainly with their first saloons was the aim. They were pretty much creating the mainstream EV market. Consumers reluctance was going to be a big battle, if they came out looking like something from Star Wars they’ve have been dismissed as being silly / daft.

Nah. Anyone from any time ever would agree that most new BMWs actually are hideous

True enough, although the BMW iX’s fake grill is a special kind of ugly. I can only assume they mocked up versions with just a painted front end and it looked even worse, I’m struggling to imagine how though

I do wonder how values of current ev’s. Will hold up when the tech is moving so fast, and a car sold now is liable to Be seriously outdated in 3 years time

The reason that leases are relatively cheap must be that lease companies think residuals will be good, in the short term at least. I think the used market will be strong because whilst some people are hankering after more and more range (not sure why, as to me there’s a point where you have ‘enough’ and there’s no point in getting more, probably around 300 miles) there are also people who are just driving short trips but want something decent for much than £30k. So you’ll probably see cars like the Leaf, Ioniq and Zoe drop to around 10-15k but hang around there for a fair while.

So you’ll probably see cars like the Leaf, Ioniq and Zoe drop to around 10-15k but hang around there for a fair while.

What sort of price are we predicting for a 3 yearold ex-lease Tesla 3, EV6, Ionic5, MachE etc. in about 2023? (eg, the mid size, £40-50k new bracket)

Current Model 3 prices are high but I think temporarily bouyed by supply demand by virtue of them being the first to exist in this class, and shortage of new cars due to the various events of the last 18 months.

hang around there for a fair while

I’m hoping the lack of maintainence and inherent value of the batteries stuffed in them, even used, will keep the price up for the re-reselling at 8-10 years age.
Unless there is a game changer rendering them obscelete through either superior new tech or taxation/legislation making them unattractive.