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Offline  ElShalimo
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Drop barred MTB for your delectation

https://singletrackworld.com/gritcx/2022/02/17/new-surly-ghost-grappler/

 
Posted : 17/02/2022 6:43 pm
Offline  honourablegeorge
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Its like a not-as-pretty Cotic Cascade

 
Posted : 17/02/2022 7:33 pm
Offline  ElShalimo
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Aggro-gravel Grappler?

 
Posted : 17/02/2022 7:37 pm
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Posted : 17/02/2022 7:38 pm
Offline  shermer75
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It's going to take a while to get used to seeing drop bars with sloping top tubes

 
Posted : 17/02/2022 9:03 pm
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About 15 years?

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Posted : 17/02/2022 9:09 pm
Offline  ElShalimo
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There's been plenty of monstercross/frankenbike posts on here for 10+years to prepare you for this

 
Posted : 17/02/2022 10:31 pm
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There’s been plenty of monstercross/frankenbike posts on here for 10+years to prepare you for this

Loving the bants

 
Posted : 18/02/2022 6:45 am

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I'm guessing you don't get one for the looks, but each to their own.

 
Posted : 18/02/2022 7:38 am
Offline  matt_outandabout
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Loving the [s]bants[/s] [b]brants[/s]

Ftfy

 
Posted : 18/02/2022 7:45 am
Offline  kerley
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Looks like an On One Bootzipper but without a price that changes ever 10 seconds.

 
Posted : 18/02/2022 7:45 am
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I cant see how it fits a 27.5 2.8 but only 29er 2.1 seems odd

And the reach is mad for a drop bar longer than the outgoing flat bat ecr

 
Posted : 18/02/2022 10:21 am
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I like it - but not at that p!ss taking UK specific exchange rate.

 
Posted : 18/02/2022 10:36 am
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@firestarter that's because they quote tyre clearance with the dropouts all the way forward. In the rearmost position tyre clearance is like 29x2.5 or something

 
Posted : 18/02/2022 4:50 pm
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Ah that makes more sense, still a long reach for a drop bar

 
Posted : 18/02/2022 4:55 pm
Offline  stevemakin
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the limiting factor is the fork, 29 x 2 with mudguards, 29 x 2.2 without

 
Posted : 18/02/2022 5:14 pm

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@Firestarter That’s what makes it appealing to me.
My Pubesmobile is 409mm reach in medium. A little longer (with a steeper STA) would be good IMO.

 
Posted : 18/02/2022 9:04 pm
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Nice name lol I used to run an early singular swift with drops but they were short and shallow , ooo.. er.. mrs..

 
Posted : 18/02/2022 9:16 pm
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Err Gryphon, Fargo etc etc.

 
Posted : 18/02/2022 10:00 pm
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still a long reach for a drop bar

Is what I thought. I’ve had ideas in the past about speccing my Longitude with flared drops. The general consensus here seems to be nope - too long by name, too long by nature

So what am I missing? The 420mm reach is the same on either bike (M).
Effective TT is +6mm on the Longitude, and adds around 25mm on the wheelbase (13.5mm on the chainstay). I’m guessing the Ghost Grappler (mad name gets points) takes it with the longer head-tube putting the front higher??

 
Posted : 19/02/2022 10:25 am
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Personally I think the Longitude could work well with shallow drops, a short stem and the saddle pushed forward to compensate for the slack STA.

 
Posted : 19/02/2022 4:02 pm
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Why is it that when someone builds a monster cross the comments are always it's too long, too short, it won't ride very well, but when companies like surly make a "aggro gravel bike" it's acceptable? Even with that massive steerer!

Makes me think that if it fits you, it fits you, regardless of the numbers.

I just wish I had access to all those gravel roads they have in America! They look amazing.

Where I live, flat bars make more sense to me no matter how much I prefer the look of drop bars.

 
Posted : 19/02/2022 5:13 pm
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Because we don’t all have the same preferences re weight distribution
/geometry I guess. You can achieve the same fit on frames with pretty different numbers, but weight distribution will vary. What works for me might not work for others.

 
Posted : 19/02/2022 7:29 pm
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I just wish I had access to all those gravel roads they have in America! They look amazing.

Where I live, flat bars make more sense to me no matter how much I prefer the look of drop bars.

Is Wales within easier reach?

Living near the Welsh borders and riding a lot of rough roads, fireroads, bridleways and towpaths a monstercross still really makes most sense for the riding I do. I somewhat regret switching from the Genesis Vagabond tbh. If a large 2021 frame came within my reach I’d seriously consider switching back.

 
Posted : 19/02/2022 7:32 pm

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Trossachs or Perthshire if you want to spoil yourself.

 
Posted : 19/02/2022 7:37 pm
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Strangly the longitude numbers look very similar to the on one rocky road but they don't suggest drops would work, but the bootzipper has a 440mm reach in a medium and they say that works with drops so who knows

 
Posted : 19/02/2022 10:00 pm

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