STW:argue….

What’s the question ?

You’ll have to wait until he reboots and downloads the latest posts.

The difference is Zokes I’ve never made racist comments about the english just had impassind debates with the likes of wrecker about the relatives merits of dan cole and adam jones or whatever.

To be fair, I don’t take a_a’s rugby comments as anti English, just anti English rugby (huge difference). He lives in England as far as I can tell, and teaches English kids so I don’t think he’s a racialist.

Zokes, excuse me quoting you as this is not meant to be a personal comment, but I think this one sentence sums a lot up.

In that really, there are many many bigger things to worry about in life than what someone who you’ll never meet said on an internet forum?

Or did you have some other hidden meaning?

To be fair, I don’t take a_a’s rugby comments as anti English, just anti English rugby (huge difference).

In more recent threads yes. In the one he seems to think I’ve been grossly racist, I’d say it was a case of pot and kettle. Living in Wales for ten years changed my views of a certain portion of that populace, and I have to say not for the better. Sport brings out the worst in a lot of people however, regardless of colour, creed, or nationality.

Ah the food thread from months ago but look you seem to have come back, as predicted, and now you posting about something you’d forgot about but clearly haven’t.

I’m not sure what prediction you are referring to. You may have me cofused with someone else.
I hadn’t orgooten about it, it doesn’t bother me outside of here.

This is the point and bearnecessaties has given a good example. It’s a form of communication which means you are interacting with people, that means some people can be offended by what you post. This makes it real no matter how you deal with it.

For some people perhaps. I know they can be offeneded and are. But ultimately they can chose not to read offensive posts. I know some people have real lives which interact with this forum so they cannot walk away. That makes it real. But actually for me, and a few others, it makes i not real, precisely because of how we deal with it.

Your own example being you took huge offensive to what I call Chinese food, I was honest and open that I didn’t think it was offensive but yet clearly it was to some. Because some people on here said they found it offensive I agreed to stop using it here, I’ll continue to use it amongst those who I know don’t find it offensive.

Huge? I didn’t take huge offence. At best, i thought you were a bit silly and probably a bit racist, which i don’t really think is appropriate for a mod. Especially as this is real world for the magazine. However, i see that you have separeted our behaviour onnhere from that off here. Surely you were advocating behaing on heremonly as you would in real life, if oth are equal and inseparable, then the converse should be true. Stop using it out there, if the people you use it with don’t find it offensive, then they may be racist too. There are probably lots of groups who don’t think the ‘N’ word is offensive. It doesn’t make it ok to use it when ou are amongst them. I’m glad that the discussion helped ou to realise it could be offensive in here. It would be nice ifyou transferred that knowledge to your real life too.

What’s the question ?

Rather then lose context, it is at the end of page 3, where we generally agree.

You do seem to hate all things about English rugby though, with the main reason for this being that they’re English. That, sir, is by your own definition, racism.

How I “seem” to a racist does not concern me. You’ve posted above your views on the welsh. I am now going to flounce off and enjoy my day.

“Out there”/”In here”. Interesting. I wonder how many see this “place” as a refuge from the world where they can behave as their real selves and find restraint still exists from the Moderator police? How much of “real” life depends on actually adopting a “persona”? Who is the “real” you?

How I “seem” to a racist does not concern me.

At last, something we can agree. How you ‘seem’ on here concerns me even less than how I ‘seem’, especially to you.

Interesting though that although you seem to have taken such offense at what I seemed to have said quite some time ago that you can’t bring it to my attention directly. If you could, as I said before, I can now either apologise for it or stand by it with further justification if required. Seems a bit strange really.

I am you and what I see is me, apparently.

If what we see is just “Fred’s” persona, adopted to engage the rest of us in an online game of tactics and strategy from an “off-world” location, what does that tell us about his “real” self?

Has he engineered the situation right from the start to produce this gaming scenario? Are we his pawns in this puppeteering of the mods?

Is he playing Chess, or “Go”?

Who is Number 1?

The point we are discussing, that my actions need not affect their real world unless they choose to have it so.

Wrong. Suppose you write “DrJ is a nob”, and a potential employer of mine is reading and thinks he won’t hire me as people think I’m a nob. Given that my forum name (and yours) do a poor job of concealing my identity, your actions impacted my real life world. And will impact yours when I show up at your door looking for retribution.

The internet is real – as the courts are increasingly recognising.

Yup, and when the worlds interact then this is real. I try to make sure that doesn’t happen because you are all a bunch of strangers who behave in all kinds of unpredictable qnd undesireable ways that I really need to be able to control the impact you have on my real life

I’m not sure what Fred is up to. Do people read it other than through this thread? Does anyone other than fred post on it?

Exactly DrJ take for example if someone was to call me a racist, that could be enough for professional body to call me in for an investigation and suspending my qualification thus meaning I’m no longer employed, I lose my house, my wife and kids suffer too. And all because someone thinks I’m racist for calling some food a name.

Not to worry it’s not real and he’d forgotten about it until he sits at his keyboard, make you wonder how he finds the threads and the site if he forgets though.

all kinds of unpredictable qnd undesireable ways that I really need to be able to control the impact you have on my real life

And other people need to control the impact they have on other peoples lives.

This is an Internet discussion forum where people who’ve never met can discuss things in their free time under the protection of anonymity.

However, there is no such protection, What you write in here is writen by YOU, not ZodTheDestroyer, or whatever other name you dream up. It was written by physical real world you sitting on your physical real world sofa on your physical real world keyboard.

Why do you keep claiming i’ve forgotten things?
Do potential employers know you as Drac? If you are concerned that they may read this and it would influence you job chances, then you should probably be less insistent on using the word ‘chinky’ too or at least notnbroadcastbthe fact that you do. Some employers might not be so keen on that either.

If using this forum threatens your job, livelihood and children inthis way, best not to use it at alll i reckon.

However, there is no such protection, What you write in here is writen by YOU, not ZodTheDestroyer, or whatever other name you dream up. It was written by physical real world you sitting on your physical real world sofa on your physical real world keyboard.

You can dress it up however you like, but what is said on here, which is an irreverent chat forum loosely associated with mountain biking, quite rightly carries very little weight anywhere. It even carries less weight than if I’d found you on facebook or wrote you an email. Both of which are also ultimately meaningless.

Do potential employers know you as Drac? If you are concerned that they may read this and it would influence you job chances, then you should probably be less insistent on using the word ‘chinky

Of course – but that’s the point, isn’t it? Your claim is that he can say what he wants with no comeback.

On the other side, this can be a good influence – if a load of people type in that they bought stuff from “Drac” and got a good deal, maybe I will be more likely to buy his used Mondeo.

Why do you keep claiming i’ve forgotten things?

Because you claimed you forget.

Do potential employers know you as Drac?

It’s not too hard to find out people’s real names.

then you should probably be less insistent on using the word ‘chinky’ too or at least notnbroadcastbthe fact that you do.

I’m confident in the fact it’s not racist to knickname food that but we’ve discussed this already.

If using this forum threatens your job, livelihood and children inthis way, best not to use it at alll i reckon.

But it’s not real life so why would it?

You can dress it up however you like, but what is said on here, which is an irreverent chat forum loosely associated with mountain biking, quite rightly carries very little weight anywhere.

Well, you can think that if you want, but as I mentioned before, the courts are starting to take a different view. Try posting your plans to start a riot at Thatcher’s funeral.

Well, you can think that if you want, but as I mentioned before, the courts are starting to take a different view. Try posting your plans to start a riot at Thatcher’s funeral.

So I’d be extradited back to the UK for writing something in jest on the internet? I strongly suggest it is you who needs to take a step closer to the real world here.

And if the powers that be are indeed being heavy handed in protecting the embellishment of the memory of one of their own, then that doesn’t exactly make it any more right.

Is Charlie Mungus now arguing with himself?!

So I’d be extradited back to the UK for writing something in jest on the internet? I strongly suggest it is you who needs to take a step closer to the real world here.

Who says it has to be in jest? It can be anything, right, cos it’s not “real” I doubt you’d be extradited, but Gary McKinnon probably thought the same. If you do something that warrants extradition in the “real world”, you’ll be equally liable for doing it in the “virtual world”.

Drac,
I’ve not claimed i forget, you may be confusing me with someone else again.
May not be too hard to find people’s real names if you are a mod.( this is not a challenge!) but i imagine that’s why only responsible and sensible are made mods.
It is not a fact, as the discussion demonstrated, you may be confident in your view. I have no doubt you are. It doesn’t make it a fact.
It’s real life if you let it become real life. If you have yourself in a position that what happens on this forum, over which you have little control, can jeopardise your livelihood and your domestic life, then i would suggest you are too are too far invested.

You guys need to grasp the concept of reality and virtuality .
Small hint: they are not opposites…nor are they the same 💡

There’s a difference between referring to a certain type of oriental food on an mtb forum and gaining access to a huge governments servers and having a rummage about..
Why don’t you ask that bloke who made a joke online about an airport being closed if it affected him in real life?
I can understand folk saying that crap posted on here doesn’t have much bearing on real life but when things go too far on here (as they usually do at some point) then the Realworld (TM) has a habit of creeping up and suprising you.
It’s happened to colleagues on facepage recently due to seemingly innocent comments posted on mate’s pages but they’ve still been chinned for it.

What’s the question ?

Rather then lose context, it is at the end of page 3, where we generally agree.

This is all I can find, and its not a question, its a statement.

Maybe not, but you can see why folks might see it differently.

Maybe not, but you can see why folks might see it differently?

How about now?

Maybe not, but can you see why folks might see it differently?

that might do it

Maybe not, but can you see why folks might see it differently?

Yes.

I can see why people may mistakenly believe that the Internet is not “real life”

In the same way that I can see why some people mistakenly believe that microwaved water is different from water heated in a pan on the hob.

Happy ?

Who says it has to be in jest? It can be anything, right, cos it’s not “real” I doubt you’d be extradited, but Gary McKinnon probably thought the same. If you do something that warrants extradition in the “real world”, you’ll be equally liable for doing it in the “virtual world”.

I really do suggest you get some perspective.

Initially we were talking about general posting on a cycling-based internet forum, at which point you then produce straw man number one about hypothetical internet posting about disrupting a national public ‘event’.

You then produce a straw man of wicker man proportions trying to put said internet postings into the same category as an person with Aspergers who allegedly hacked into US military computers.

I’ve not claimed i forget, you may be confusing me with someone else again.

The walk away comment suggests, to me, that you’re forgotten the coming back suggests you’re no walking away.

May not be too hard to find people’s real names if you are a mod.

Easier yes but not much harder, people link their facebook, flick, twitter and other social pages on here. There’s also people who mention other’s real names on the forum and even said facebook page.

Add to that if the comment was offensive enough then the right authorities can request that ST share the information they have on the person. If they’re a subscriber then that is a lot info.

It’s real life if you let it become real life. If you have yourself in a position that what happens on this forum, over which you have little control, can jeopardise your livelihood and your domestic life, then i would suggest you are too are too far invested.

No it’s real life because it is. Look how many cases appear because someone said something silly on twitter or Facebook both of which are social sites just like here. It’s a form of communication so therefore is real. It’s not World of Warcraft.

It’s not World of Warcraft.

Which is:

a form of communication so therefore is real.

Make your mind up….

Yes.

I can see why people may mistakenly believe that the Internet is not “real life”

In the same way that I can see why some people mistakenly believe that microwaved water is different from water heated in a pan on the hob.

Happy ?
Well yes, and you too I imagine. Because this discussion started out when you couldn’t understand why people said this was not real life. Now you can see why they do.

So we have resolved that issue. Admittedly we have a few more now!

The walk away comment suggests, to me, that you’re forgotten the coming back suggests you’re no walking away.

I can’t do anything about your inference in this case.

May not be too hard to find people’s real names if you are a mod.
Easier yes but not much harder, people link their facebook, flick, twitter and other social pages on here. There’s also people who mention other’s real names on the forum and even said facebook page.

And if any of those relate to their meatlife identity then they have overlap.

Add to that if the comment was offensive enough then the right authorities can request that ST share the information they have on the person. If they’re a subscriber then that is a lot info.

There’s a great advert for subscription, right there!
Can the authorities request or demand? Do STW have to give the information over?

Can the authorities request or demand? Do STW have to give the information over?

And with that one sentence you demonstrate why you don’t understand.

Nealglover , your boiled water analogy is really poor.

“In the same way that I can see why some people mistakenly believe that microwaved water is different from water heated in a pan on the hob.”

The water is real, hot or not, end of.

When someone on here offers you a Hobnob, is it a real one? No, its a virtual Hobnob.
“Pulls up chair” is another favourite on here. No, they are not really pulling a chair up ( they are already sitting on one in most cases) .

I will get my coat….you guessed it, not REAL but VIRTUAL.

This is fun 😀

FWIW I’m not even sure this forum passes the Turing Test half the time…

And with that one sentence you demonstrate why you don’t understand.

And with that one sentence you demonstrate that you don’t know