[Closed] Spearfish build, techincal issues, fork steerer length and stem/headset

Is it a normal 1 1/8th headset with external cups?
How about a zero stack headset? That would give the difference. You only need the steerer to come till 4-5mm below the top of the stem...

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=80887

One of these lads ?
"Fits direct mount Marzocchi forks 2011 and older"

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Yer ****ed.

LOL cheers dude 🙂

New uppers or forks isn't inspiring me LOL..

18mm gap and a 45mm stem currently installed.

Zero stack headset or new forks

If we're straight onto

"Just get new forks mate"

How about a set of these instead of the Fox 100 (tapered 15mm) compared to these Rebas ?

http://www.merlincycles.com/bike-shop/frame-forks/forks-shocks/rockshox-suspension-forks/rockshox-reba-rlt-29er-2012.html

£269 with Merlin 10% discount

Have you got a side on pic, if its a 44mm semi integrated headset the top cup should be flush'ish with the top of the headtube, yours looks like its got a external top cup under the stem,
From the pics it doesn't look quite right, maybe...

Give us 2 mins 🙂

That stem wont work.it clamps on and bolts to the crown......

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Thought they used Semi-integrated headsets on them..Not External cups

Looks like new fork time to me.

You have to forgive me mate, i'm not an expert on headset types/names and descriptions. This is a Hope headset, fits into the recess in the top and bottom on an angled spacer/bearing, with a lower bit beneath and then the crown race (on top of steerer) The top is the same in reverse lol

I think you're screwed... Sorry. 🙁 the other pics look like there's more under the stem,

There should be a couple of 30mm stack stems out there. Ragley Stubbing is claimed 30mm, so should be bang on the limit of what you can get away with.

Ragley Stubbing is claimed 30mm, so should be bang on the limit of what you can get away with.

Sorry,Just seen the other pictures,You have the correct headset..oops

[url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/stem-with-the-lowest-stack-height ]a few listed here t'other day[/url]

Aah, I've only heard it called 30mm, never measured one. A quick google reveals some possibilities, all of them short (in length).

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=47923

Ragley stubbing (as predicted above by Warp) seems to be stack height of 30-32 depending on who measured it.... That would put my top of fork steerer 3mm below top of stem....

We'd be happy with that ?

Its one thingngetting a low stack stem but your positions non adjustable...and likely will be wrong ?

trail_rat - Member
Its one thingngetting a low stack stem but your positions non adjustable...and likely will be wrong ?

Well only slightly yes... I could adjust up or down with higher/flat bars to an extent i guess.

I'm not completely against buying new forks if that's my only really sensible option.... However, i'd rather not as it then means selling the Fox's (which should be fairly simple?)

That would put my top of fork steerer 3mm below top of stem....

We'd be happy with that ?

I'd change the fork rather than fanny around with a headset (and likely setup) you don't want. PITA though, especially with a new frame waiting.

Well, i'm now the proud owner of :

Rockshox Reba RLT 29er 2012 White - 15mm Axle - Crown Lockout - Tapered Steerer

Tbh it all looks very nice .....but I think you'll find everything would have fitted fine on a Yelli Screamy no probs 😉

Even the rear shock ?

Apart from the fork issue, the overall build went... reasonably well.

As well as ordering the forks, i've ordered the Ragley Stubbing stem, i'll try the stem, see how it fits/looks and make some decisions on the plan from there.

Sadly my rear brake cable either needs routing along the top tube (which i don't fancy in all honesty) or replacing with a longer brake hose. It's about 608" too short. I could theoretically re-route using some of the CRC cable stick on guides... but, if you're going to do a job, do it properly i guess. So will get a new hose on there.

The gearing is sorted, the chainguide is sorted, bars sorted and even the seat is on there and funnily enough my old charge spoon was orange too 🙂 lol. So not all is lost.

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never mind the headset, those bars are minging

rOcKeTdOg - Member
never mind the headset, those bars are minging

I've got a set of Orange Raceface just waiting for me to click the button, but i've tied up almost £1000 of paypal funds this week with the frame, mech hanger, forks, bits n bobs.. so the bars will have to remain ugly a while longer.

Looking in the cold light of day, things don't seem so terrible 🙂

Worst case scenario i spend £270 and have a new set of forks on the new frame.
Best case, the forks go back and the new stem goes on....

The brake hose i can get sorted fairly easily.. .So it's just a question of waiting till Monday till the forks and the stem arrive and seeing where we go from there...

Just wanted to say Thank You really to everyone who contributed.

You'll get over £200 for your Fox forks assuming they're in good nick, so you won't lose your shirt either way,
The bike looks ace! 😀 cept those bars.. 😉

Tell us how it rides looking good so far, you won't be dissapointed with the rebas just be regular with your lower services and the ocasional full strip down. If you not shy with mecainical work I would drop the lowers pre first ride and add some extra lube like slick honey and some heavy weight oil they are a bit shy on the lube from new I think it's to stop leaking in transit.

There you whinging sods.... i've swapped the bars out 🙂

Yes, i know i need to wash the bowl....not got round to it yet as i was rushing to get my boy to school 🙂

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i hate to tell you this but those brake levers don't match!

someone's nicked the spokes out of your front wheel.

[edit] maybe he's black/white colour blind?

Excellent use of kitchen as workshop btw. My wife would stick me with a carving knife if I tried the same

[i] My wife would stick me with a carving knife if I tried the same [/i]

It's ok, he's put the knife block behind the bike 🙂

1. I know they don't match... but i bought 1 and the other came up cheap... but different colour.... Don't worry, if i get the REBA forks then they'll be white

2. The wife went away for a meeting and stayed in Hotel 🙂

3. Weird, there's deffo spokes in there 🙂 Honest.

Question time.

So, assuming my shorter stack stem works,can I simply use the sfn? Or do I need to get it out and use the Hope head doctor? Of course we we're assuming the same pitch thread on the Hope stepped bolt.

SFN is fine with a Hope Headset

Thanks buddy.

We'll see tomorrow if new stem or new forks!

How long is the steerer on the short forks?

Take it the brake levers / shifters will foul the top tube?

If you have a spill, it would leave a nasty mark 🙁

Looks nice tho............

Steve, don't know mate, fitted my giant with 30mm of spacers, the hello with even more space. I'm assuming you're OK interested in buying?

Alan, no fouling mate currently, if it does I will fit the risers again.

Approx 168mm

Thinking of getting a spearfish, but can't afford new forks so I'd have to check.

Good old CRC got the part to me bright and early...

So, i rekon i'm happy with that... However i'm prepared to bow to the knowledge of the forumites.... but looks appropriate to me.

I accept i've got no spacers, therefore no room for adjustment, it's just one of them things, i'll improvise using higher/lower/longer/narrower bars i guess...

What say the masses ?

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Stem fits ....

Shame its orange

Looks fine. You'll only know if you can't get rid of that rattly headset feeling.

LOL it was orange on purpose. I was torn between the orange and the black.... Orange works IMO.

Sadly, someone who mentioned the bars fouling the top-tube on full turn was correct, so i'll be fitting the risers before trip..

Orange bars too much orange to be appropriate ?

This thread makes me spearfish-curious.

Be sure to post up how you like it, and what bikes you're comparing the ride to.

the stem is fine

Orange bars too much orange to be appropriate ?

you can't have too much orange 😉

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8) lush...

of course you can take it too far and forget a downtube and get the seat angle all wrong. Oh., and fit the drivetrain the wrogn side of the frame.

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OK ok.... fair point.... black bars

Heh heh.. 😉

Well, that's the bike done and ready.

Took to my lbs to check fork stuff and he's happpy.

Fitted rear brake.

Cable tied it all up etc. Lovely

Black stem with Orange bars might have worked.......

Having 2 shades of Orange so close, they really need to match.

IMO Of course 🙂

come on then

piccies of it finished please, I have been waiting days for this to culminate into a complete bike

😀

Bars hitting the top tube you say.....

http://www.charliethebikemonger.com/skean---frame-protector-protect-the-toptube-of-your-bike-from-the-bar-hits-1839-p.asp

I have fitted these to my bikes where the top tube is at risk. Small price to pay to protect a lovely frame.

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And just to clarify... Those are not my legs in the picture.

Oh and the spearfish frames... We're £1000, now a remarkable £640 ish... http://www.charliethebikemonger.com/salsa-spearfish-29er-full-suspension-frame-692-p.asp

Sorry lads, no pics tonight as it is dark.

Power cut or have you been kicked out of the kitchen?

Lol Tim, like that was a long term thing

Just splurged a little cash out and bought a Renthal 32T chainring as it's only ever going to run single ring and a SLX SGS Shadow + rear mech in a medium cage. My rear mech is 18 months and 2000+ miles old, so may as well treat the bike.

come on - it's daylight now 🙂

LOL i'm in work mate, start work at 7am. So was obviously dark when i left the house.

Promise i'll get some pics tonight when i get home, even if i have to bring into the kitchen, i want to give the bike a quick test anyway in the road to check geometry, seat position and handlebars comparing to the risers.

Well here's the final pic and final spec (needs a few bits fitting when they arrive)
Salsa Spearfish, size large.
Hope Pro2 Evo with Crests.
Bontrage Mud-x
Formula Mega (rear)
Formula K18 (Front)
Formula rotors
Fox float 32 F100 / 15mm maxle
XTR Bottom bracket mounted in PF converters to standard BB.
Rockshox Monarch
SLX 10 speed shifter
Shimano full lenght gear cable.
Deore cranks running a 32T
SLX cassette 11-36
SRAM generic chain
Superstar XCR-st chainguide
Funn fatboy riser bars
Hope Headset
Ragley stubbing stem
Well B-54 pedals
Giant lock-on grips
Salsa seatclamp
Charge Spoon

To be fitted : SLX shadow+ rear mech. Renthal 32T chainring.

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Riding the bike in the street, i'm VERY happy with how it rides... it's a lovely bike/shape/position. However, i've swapped the bars off from this photo to risers due to issues hitting the top-tube of frame with the bottom of shifter. I'll decide on Thurs (working from home) which set of bars i prefer to ride with and set accordingly.

Looks ace mate! 🙂

Got me thinking now...........

glitchy bump test sure I posted on here last night.

[edit] oh, apparently not. Or did I get moderated for noticing the table?

[2nd edit] there's two threads with this picture in 😳

Yeah sorry mate, i realised i'd update the problem thread instead of the build/new frame thread.