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I can only presume it's because he's being rude about his own brother
You definitely dont want to hear me talk about mine if you think that was rude
I thought he was fairly positive about his brother and tried to criticise the party rather than him directly
It seems like the more of the same negative stuff from the tories and the RW press such as Red, ed, his dads a traitor, he stabbed his own brother in the back etc than anything tangible from either Milliband
For public family feuds its as mild and as civilised as it gets in general never mind politics.
Ed and the Unions went against the membership and the MPs
That's the sort of nonsense that Richard Littlejohn makes a very comfortable living spouting.
If you are referring to the last leadership election the combined votes of individual members and MPs outnumbered the affiliated trade union votes 2 to 1.
Dan Jarvis has no leadership charisma
Should be a perfect choice then.
Anyway, I thought it was Yvette's go next.
Anyone watching Newsnight? I quite like this woman, Liz Kendall. She's being asked some deliberately nasty questions that she is obliged to evade, of course, but her style is pretty assertive and challenging in return. A bit of practice she'll be pretty convincing I think.
Yup saw that. She had me until like all those who came before, she refused to defend the right of workers to organise and take collective action in defence of their livelihoods.
Not read the thread but has anyone pointed out yet that Chuka Umuna likes jungle/dnb and one of his favourite tunes is Burial by Leviticus?
Ed was certainly the wrong choice. But not because he's left leaning; because he wasn't very good.
+lots
jambalaya - MemberSeems perfectly reasonable for David to point out that in his view a more centerist / Blair-ite Labour party would have done better.
Yup, nothing wrong with having an opinion on this, it's all the people stating it as fact that need to sort themselves out 😉
After my stratospheric success at Ladbrokes last week, I've had a wild punt on Yvette at 5/1. She may be Missus Balls, but even the Labour NEC/Unions/party proles wont be so daft as to select the unelectable Andy "save the NHS, again" Burnham. Will they?
They're not deciding anything until September. My guess is that the eventual Great Leader will not emerge until later and will be none of the current greasy pole climbers on offer.
Not Chuka.
Why the change of heart, I wonder.
I think all the current bunch have jumped way too early, including Mr Jermyn Street. Being backed by The Prince of Darkness won't help him now, Mandelson is yesterday's influence.
Turns out he doesn't like the added scrutiny.
So, either one of the Sunday papers has some massive dirt, or they now know that any added scrutiny would uncover some.
Not a clever statement.
No sooner said, than...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32748106
That's a good thing for the Labour Party. Imagine him trying to stand up to the "pressure" that leadership brings.
one of the Sunday papers has some massive dirt
This is the reason apparently
Perhaps he's got a proper job offer in the private sector! Why would he want to lead the Labour Party. He could go and work for the prince of darkness
The rest of his statement makes perfect sense... Thing is, if he does fear for some dark secret being revealed, there's no point in staying in high level politics, it'll be dropped on him sooner or later, if he takes a cabinet post in the next labour government or whatever. So it'll probably be possible to judge that...
Shame though, I was looking forward to the inevitable UKIP jokes about his name.
wonder what it could be?
affair? not a problem for most politicians, next tory leader Boris for example
drugs? not been a problem for osborne
tax dodging- the whole bally lot of em do that
im not exactly sure what is taboo for politicians these days
Id not relish the job myself- Ed had the murdoch and the rest of the rightwing press saying a lot of very nasty things about him and his family for the last 5 years, the daily mail ran an entire feature on how shit his kitchen was!
Maybe someones dug up some pictures of him with Jimmy Saville?
It could genuinely be what he says - I expect that the shock of his family, etc suddenly being followed, friends being called and asked for gossip on him and so on may have made him question his priorities.
Quite possibly not of course but if there is some scandal then he's hugely naive to have put himself forward thinking it wouldn't come out.
He looks a bit of a shagger. I reckon shagging
the rightwing press saying a lot of very nasty things about him and his family
Horrible wasn't it
I'm all at a loss now, first I thought Dan Jarvis, then he dropped out, then I was convinced it'd be Chuka, now he's dropped out. I think I'm backing Liz Kendall from now on (Until she drops out).
They'll end up with Yyvette Cooper, and then the bottom will really fall out of Labour's remaining middle-england support.
drugs? not been a problem for osborne
Seeing as he apparently loves jungle there may be pictures of him off his tits at raves etc? But as you say hasn't been a problem for Osbourne and I think Cameron has been coy about it too.
Shame though, I was looking forward to the inevitable UKIP jokes about his name.
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then the bottom will really fall out of Labour's remaining middle-england support
F*** middle england
Fingers crossed for Liz Kendall. I snogged her at a party in about 1988 and she was nice.
Not Chuka.Why the change of heart, I wonder.
Internal politics. I bet he was told if you stand against X you'll get no support from us. X being who I wonder.
You know I think they missed a trick there to get them back in.
F*** middle england
No thanks, I'm a bit picky.
Kier Starmer could be a very, very good move!
I think Chuka has his eyes set on the London Mayor job - should be an interesting contest between him and Kahn!
I think Chuka has his eyes set on the London Mayor job - should be an interesting contest between him and Kahn!
Headline writers hoping for that as well!
Keir Starmer? Blimey. This'd be interesting.
However this being Labour theyll go with someone watered down.
Abit like a automotive etc concept car and then the mass euro box that is design by committee approved
F*** middle england
😆
You are Ed Milliband and I claim my five pounds.
Yvette cooper odds have just come in from 5/1 to 2/1 at paddy power 😀
ninfan - Member
Blair was the beginning of the end for Labour in Scotland.
Really?'87 - 50 seats
'92 - 49
'97 - 56
'01 - 56
'05 - 41
'10 - 41
tbh that doesn't tell the whole picture, in the 00s Scotland was still in the throws of must vote labour to keep the tories out, so the results are skewed there. it wasn't until recently that the SNP have been viewed as a Westminister alternative(not even until post referendum).
So ultimately it's a new dynamic. That it change so quickly, shows you that people have been disguntled with labour for a long time in Scotland.
btw the fact that a tory government got in regardless, I reckon will ensure Labour claws back some seats next time too, regardless of what they do. the fear of a Tory government is that strong.
Andy Burnham will be the next leader of the Labour Party.
He just needs to flutter those big beautiful eyelashes.
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Andy Burnham will be the next leader of the Labour Party.
11/10 at Ladbrokes.
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Hora, you're right, they'll water it down, very little chance of them doing anything bold.
But, like you say, Kier Starmer would be bloody interesting as a leader!
Do you know what Stoner I had never noticed the resemblance before.
You can imagine the effect he'll have on Labour voters
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Chuka has thrown in the towel.
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32748106 <
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Headline writers hoping for that as well!
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I think Chuka has his eyes set on the London Mayor job - should be an interesting contest between him and Kahn!
Headline writers hoping for that as well!
Chuka? Chuka? Chuka/Khan everybody, everybody Chuka/Khan.
I feel it too. Got that in my head now.
Chuka has thrown in the towel.
Thanks for the breaking news, have you been following the thread ? 😉
Press following his mum is obnoxious. Not sure he could be Labour party leader, not Northern working class enough.
London Mayor would be a good shout for him.
Just shows what scum the press can be. Waiting outside his relatives houses at night? WTF
jambalaya - MemberNot sure he could be Labour party leader, not Northern working class enough.
Ah yes, a vital requirement to be Labour leader.
Not sure he could be Labour party leader, not Northern working class enough.
Yeah... we're snowed under with working class northerners in the present labour party. Can't move for 'em. Theres Andy Burnham and then ..... erm..... Tristram Hunt?
Press following his mum is obnoxious.
rupert murdoch put a lot of effort into getting cameron a majority, he'll be damned if hes gonna let labour elect a potential winner
Binners aye and of course Bliar was working class from a Poly who went to live in a council house after the election..
I'm sure Chuka Ummuna would have made the perfect Labour leader for Rupert Murdoch. I have no doubt that the man who dismisses ordinary people as "trash" shares Peter Mandelson's sentiments that Labour is “intensely relaxed about people getting filthy rich”.
In fact imo it's very likely that he would have instructed the Sun to ditch the Conservatives and back Labour had Ummuna become leader.
I suggest we have a Baron as Labour Leader ... Baron Tristram Hunt that is. My backup choice.
Baron Hunt!
Baron Hunt!
Baron Hunt!
Bow to me you lot peasant class!
Bow to me as I am your Baron and your master!
(saw him on Question Time last night ... yeahhhh! He is the one to lead Labour)
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so Kier Starmer then?
kimbers - Member
so Kier Starmer then?
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I've read some stuff by Kier Starmer that sounded intelligent and reasonable - not sure where he stands politically in general.
Not sure he could be Labour party leader, not Northern working class enough.
You really do talk some hilarious nonsense!
Former DPP, the CPS is so highly regarded for its recent work, that will be a success.
What do you mean by that mefty?
Apparantly it takes a great deal of courage to stand for the leadership and it also takes a great deal of courage to stand down from the leadership (e cooper)
Clearly a very courageous guy then! 😕
You really do talk some hilarious nonsense!
@grum its more politically correct to ask whether he appeals to Labour's core values or really represents their traditional working class voter. Milliband took a lot of flak for being London/Islington elite and here is Chucka who's mother lives in a house purchased in a Jersey offshore trust (stamp duty avoidance / inheritance tax planning ?). I like him but I don't think he's the Leader to help Labour win and personally I doubt he would have won the contest for the reasons I put above whether those are the PC or non PC versions.
What do you mean by that mefty?
Over the next five years a number of issues such as paedophile enquires, questions about press prosecutions and the unknown unknowns will crop up which will lead to mud slinging towards the CPS. As a former head of it, some of that mud will stick to Starmer, whether fairly or unfairly, plus he is another North London metro elite guy.
Burnham is my MP. See him in Sainsbury's every now and again.
Didn't Binners go to school with him?
Burnham is my MP. See him in Sainsbury's every now and again.
Posh git.
He should occasionally pop into Tesco, or dare I say it Aldi, to see how the other half live.
Seen Andy Burnham at Goodison a couple of times - top balcony, so a student of the game. He's also from planet earth, which is a plus in my book. No evidence that the electorate at large feels this way, mind - limited appetite for an earthling in #10 going by recent history.
Burnham can piss off, I can not be arsed listening to 5 years of arguments about immigration.
"Freedom of movement, but not freedom to claim"
Guess the party time!?!
Harriet has a brilliant idea:
As well as Labour Party members and affiliated supporters like union members, people who pay £3 to become a "registered supporter" can also vote in the contest to replace Mr Miliband.
Now, guys, if I give you each £3 you can all vote for Yvette and I can make a killing on my bet, right? OR failing that I'll settle for you voting for Diane Abbott, because I would laugh myself to an early grave.
It's not just Harriet's brilliant idea, it's a Labour Party rule.
An absurd and ridiculous rule introduced by right-wingers so that even David Cameron, if he pays his 3 quid, can rubber-stamp one of the candidates specially selected by MPs to exclude anyone with vaguely left-wing views.
Jim Murphy wants the same process to apply when selecting the Scottish Labour Party leader, surprise surprise.
Stoner - Member
Harriet has a brilliant idea:
As well as Labour Party members and affiliated supporters like union members, people who pay £3 to become a "registered supporter" can also vote in the contest to replace Mr Miliband.Now, guys, if I give you each £3 you can all vote for Yvette and I can make a killing on my bet, right? OR failing that I'll settle for you voting for Diane Abbott, because I would laugh myself to an early grave.
Excellent! I can vote for Labour Leader. I shall vote for Chukka - make no mistake or Tristram - Baron von commy. Yvette or Mrs Balls might be fine but the entertainment value might not be as good. The rest do not have enough determination but if Diane Abbott go for it then I shall vote for her coz she is very determine and a determine Labour leader is good for entertainment ...
Wooohoo! 😆
Labour! Labour! Labour!
£3 a [s]bet[/s] vote and you register online. That's not open to voter fraud much eh ?
£3? I reckon that's a vote someone with deep pockets could comfortably buy! Farcical.
The tories certainly sell their principles for a much higher price
What what
Its a daft rule
Stella Artois - reassuringly expensive. You get what you pay for in this life 😉
Not sure what the GMB is trying to achieve with its statement's today regarding withdrawing Labour's funding. Guaranty you we'll see those rolled out by the Tories for the 2020 GE campaign
Vote early and vote often comrades. Nice to see the unions being as helpful as ever to the Labour cause.
"We'll pick the labour party leader thanks, or we'll take our ball home. So there!"
I'm sure the right wing press won't be reminding everyone of that on a daily basis once the Fuhrer has been duly anointed 🙄
@binners, I read about it in the Guardian, I really do wonder what these people are thinking making such public statements. Behind the scenes is one thing but saying so publicly is bonkers.
Nice to see the unions being as helpful as ever to the Labour cause.
'ere you go binners. SPiteful right wing press for you 😉
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Your mate Burnham is Red Ken's chosen one I believe Binners.
Is Andy Burnham the chosen one of the people of Stafford?
I can't believe that the Labour leadership with their "thank you now **** off" attitude is still prepared to take money from the trade unions, have they no shame ?
Unite gave the Labour Party £3.6m in the 6 months before the general election. That's £3.6m to a bunch of Tory-lites who couldn't even win an election ffs.
The sooner the trade unions stop funding the Labour Party and let it go as bankrupt as its "policies" are then the better imo.
Sadly too many people still see the Conservative Party as the problem when real problem is the Labour Party. As long as people carry on thinking that the Labour Party is the solution and don't recognise the fact that it's the problem then no one can really expect anything to progress.
It really is time that unions like Unite changed their rules to allow the political fund to be used beyond just supporting the Labour Party. Financially supporting individuals in the Labour Party is one thing but blanket support for the whole party is plain ridiculous. And why should Scottish trade unions support the Labour Party if their members don't ? It's just a matter of time before the rule changes occur imo.
I am always uncomfortable when there is a government - of any party - without organised and effective opposition.
The sort of things Labour pushed through - IMHO the worst being Gordon Brown's pension tax credit grab which adversely affected a huge number of ordinary people - should have been blocked by effective opposition or, at the very least, been seized upon for immediate condemnation, but the Conservative of the time were virtually absent.
Hariett Harmon is right, Mclusky is bluffing about withdrawing funding. A new party left of Labour would have a zero chance of being elected, zero. its just far too powerful an argument for the tories / Lib Dems to make that any new left wing party is "hard line" and anti aspirational. Union membership has dwindled and whilst they still have significant financial clout it's nothing like it was. They might not like it but the Unions are going to have to work with the Labour Party pretty much as it is. They need to swallow humble pie and acknowledge that they pushed through the wrong candidate. David might have won.
A new party left of Labour would have a zero chance of being elected, zero.
Because of course Scotland proved that 10 days ago. And the Greens proved that in the rest of the UK by quadrupling their vote since 2010 to over a million.
As I've said before the British public, even Tory voters, are to the left of Labour when it comes nationalisation, the single most defining tenet of what is right or left.
Mclusky is bluffing about withdrawing funding
It's not up to him. Unlike the Labour Party the trade unions are democratic organisations. Len McCluskey cannot change rules or make new ones up.
I like Dan Hodges' turn of phrase on this one 🙂
Labour needs this. For years – decades in fact – seismic philosophical, political and ideological differences within the party have been hidden away behind a gradually crumbling façade of “unity”. Gaping wounds have been left to fester. Old scores allowed to go unsettled.
The time to settle them has arrived. Instead of unity, Labour now needs a period of vicious disunity. The gangs must gather. Guns or knives. An old fashioned turf war, with blood on the sidewalk. And, most importantly of all, a winner. A clear winner, someone whom people will rally to and follow. Who wouldn’t want to belong to the Jets!
Obviously, he's not after the same blood on the floor as you, Ernie, but you've got to agree with the sentiment 😉