Pubs don’t have to allow it so there must be a reason they do?

I’m an ex-smoker but have no problem with those that still do. Agree with Binners, this place if full of a certain type of person. I’m glad I don’t have listen to a great many of them in real life as it would make me sad.

Fair point about it being controlled though.

You don’t quite get the STW approach do you 😆

the whiney, pompous, i-know-what’s-good-for-you, sanctimonious, self-righteous, holier than thou bleating

Yes it’s probably only the magical herb that keeps me from grabbing a machete and mowing the bleating sheep down 😈

And the person bleating loudest on this thread is…

Technically mine isn’t bleating. Its forthright, booming, angry indignation.

And I havent wet the bed for weeks now.

Pubs don’t have to allow it so there must be a reason they do?

Yes they used that line too when there was talk of banning it inside pubs.

Pompous smokers declared that when they banned smoking inside pubs and restaurants. There’s still pubs and we’ve had 3 open/reopen here in the last 12 months.

Several new ones here too in recent times. I see more non-smokers than smokers in and around them.

TheLittlestHobo – Member

You are wrong Graham. I went to the Mercedes factory recently for their big dirty vans.

I asked why there was no air treatment in the facility especially at the end of the line where they fired the vehicles up which I would expect is the point it would be needed.

Ahh my friend, he replied. That is because the air coming out is cleaner than the air going in.

😆 😆 😆

Of course it is treacle.

You’d probably believe a man called Phil Morris that menthol cigarettes are good for your bronchitis.

Passive smoking in open air gardens…..do me a favour and wind ya necks in.

What I cant stand is eating outside and some dirty fecker floats an air biscuit my way….can we ban farts next?

Happy smoker here but I don’t go to pubs based on the idiots inside, not the lack of smoking facilities.

FunkyDunc – Member

What I do not understand is that people can drive a car and smoke at the same time, yet eating an apple, or sipping a drink is not allowed

It’s no surprise you don’t understand it as it isn’t the case. 🙂

From a herbal

The Tobacco plant was introduced into England by Sir Walter Raleigh and his friends in 1586, and at first met with violent opposition.
Kings prohibited it, Popes pronounced against it in Bulls, and in the East Sultans condemned Tobacco smokers to cruel deaths. Three hundred years later, in 1885, the leaves were official in the British Pharmacopoeia.

We’ve made some progress in the past few hundred years 🙂

as a non smoker, i was very glad of the indoor smoking ban but this is a bit harsh. it really isn’t that annoying.

I’m sure no one here contributes to the 20K or so annual UK deaths caused by traffic pollution by driving a big diesel estate car, anyway.

I’m another one who’d welcome the ban on smoking in beer gardens. I’d like to sit outside on a sunny day with a pint and maybe even, dare I say it, a packet of crisis (or Scampi Fries), without second hand wafts of smoke blowing across my face. Aside from the possible health implications, I just find the smell revolting. Farts likewise, but they’re less easy to trace, unless people are loud and proud about them.

Personally, I’d welcome it being banned outright if I thought for a second it wouldn’t just go underground / black market. Pubs have become much nicer places to visit since the ban.

However. I wouldn’t be presumptuous enough to foist that view on everybody else. So if we’re going to allow smoking, I actually think that pubs should be the one place where people can smoke. That’s pretty much their raison d’etre, to be a haven where people can enjoy their little vices; drinking, small-scale gambling and so forth.

A good concession might be to allow one smoking room, well away from the bar and the ‘main’ part of the pub and anywhere that serves food, well ventilated and air-conditioned, so that people can turn it quietly brown and sticky to their hearts’ content without impacting everyone else.

Crazy talk, I know.

robdob – Member

Oh and the tax issue – I’d rather pay more tax

No-one is stopping you.

I know quite a few people who don’t go to pubs nowadays in the summer as you can’t sit outside

No you don’t.

And the pub closure argument – who cares if more close anyway?

Just admit that you don’t even drink in pubs anyway.

Well, not in mine; you’re barred. 😛

Which is funny, as I have a no-smoking beer garden. 😆

I saw something quite revolutionary in a pub in Todmerden recently.

The beer garden had two clearly marked areas. One half of the tables had ash trays, the other had little no smoking signs.

Guess which bit was empty?

Would this fiendishly groundbreaking idea satisfy the totalitarian ‘I don’t like it, it smells’ Its just sooooo not fair that I have to put up with it! Its simply ruined my day! I think I need to go for a lie down” brigade?

Or must it absolutely positively have to be BANNED?!!

Banned I tell you!!! Because I don’t like it. And everything I don’t like should be banned! On the two occassions every year I go to the pub, it simply destoys my enjoyment! BAN IT, I SAY!!! I’m saving them from themselves, for gods sake. Why can’t they see this? Why no thanks? Why aren’t they grateful to me?

Look binbins, if you have that little spine and will power that you can’t even manage to give up with the help of e-cigs, then sorry but others are going to have to help you sort yourself out.

Banning smoking in beer gardens didn’t bother me that much either way, but seeing the over-developed sense of entitlement from Binners is convincing me otherwise.

Outdoor bans is catching on:

Can we also suggest the banning of following:

CROCS (adult wearing of)

SWEARING

VAPING

REVVING OF CARS

AUDIBLE CAR SOUND SYSTEMS

SPORTSWEAR (unless expensive cycling gear)

CHILDREN

CHAVVERS

HIPPIES

MAXPOWER TWATCHBACKS

RAMBLERS or WALKERS

DOGS (Except for assistance dogs or Spanpoocockador variations.)

BEARDS

LONG HAIR ON MEN

ANYTHING HIP OR HIPSTER

SHIRTS NOT TUCKED-IN

ST GEORGE’S FLAGS OR CLOTHING

FEDORAS

TRAINING SHOES THAT RESEMBLE FOOTBALL BOOTS

MOCKNEY ACCENTS

AMERICANISMS

MANDALS

NON-IRONIC BSOs

I don’t like red beans, can we ban red beans too?

Banning smoking in beer gardens didn’t bother me that much either way, but seeing the over-developed sense of entitlement from Binners is convincing me otherwise.

Ironic isn’t it? That that ‘sense of entitlement’ (if that’s what it is) you so dislike has been brought about by exactly the kind of preachy, sanctimonious, everybody-do-as-I-say claptrap being so readily spouted on threads like this.

I really don’t see how wanting to have a cig in an open space amounts to an ‘over-developed sense of entitlement’ though. Its hardy asking for the moon on a ****ing stick, is it? Though for the piddling-your-nickers-in-outrage reaction of some of the more self-righteous on here, you’d think I was asking for the right to casually catapult babies onto spikes, while I was having an al fresco beer

I don’t mind shirts not being tucked in.

A good concession might be to allow one smoking room

When Scotland brought in the smoking ban this was toyed with – but (as I understand it) the issue is that the ban was partially predicated on Health & Safety at work legislation (i.e. staff shouldn’t be exposed carcinogenic fumes as part of their job)

So perhaps the solution is an airtight smoking room, where you are served by staff in hazmat suits?

The beer garden had two clearly marked areas. One half of the tables had ash trays, the other had little no smoking signs.

Guess which bit was empty?

Oooh! Oooh! Is the answer the smokers side as they’re all huffed that non smokers have somewhere to sit?

Can we ban ‘the tide’ too – ‘cos it keeps drowning people

As Figure 8 shows, the UK’s smoking bans correlate more closely with the collapse in pub numbers than any other factor,

http://www.iea.org.uk/sites/default/files/publications/files/Briefing_Closing%20time_web.pdf

I’m an ex smoker but I think the outdoor ban is too far. In fact I’d like pubs to have the choice of having indoor smoking rooms as long as staff didn’t need to work in them. Freedom of choice and let the market decide if smoking rooms were viable.

I really don’t see how wanting to have a cig in an open space amounts to an ‘over-developed sense of entitlement’ though

Quite. You really don’t appreciate how unpleasant other people find it.
I would also suggest that in your heart of hearts, you don’t really believe it is going to kill you.
Until it does

as long as staff didn’t need to work in them.

Aye. There can be a coin slot, a series of buttons marked “Carling”, “Stella”, “Carlsberg” and “Tetleys” and one tap. Plastic glasses. Bolted down seats. They’re smokers FFS, it’s not like they need anything “nice” in there.

Hmmm…maybe a fruit machine too.

I really don’t see how wanting to have a cig in an open space amounts to an ‘over-developed sense of entitlement’ though. Its hardy asking for the moon on a ****ing stick, is it?

Ah, so your right to smoke in a beer garden trumps the right of people to sit in a beer garden without breathing smoke. Despite a) most people don’t smoke and b) it’s bad for their health.

Yep, I’d say “over-developed sense of entitlement” is about right.

I really think the shirt thing should be rescinded too.

Despite a) most people don’t smoke and b) it’s bad for your their health.

😀

I find sanctimonious self-righteousness offensive.

Can we ban that at the same time?

I find sanctimonious self-righteousness offensive.

Can we ban that at the same time?

Along with pictures of ironing boards?

Drac – edited!

What we need are smoking helmets, kinda like this:

Then you can smoke wherever the hell you like without other people having to suffer, cos lets face it all the arguments about smell and personal dislike aside, it’s the health effects that are the real problem.

It’s not about nanny states, restriction of personal freedoms, being penalised or anything, it’s about you simply not having the right to put other peoples health at risk, you can fart and make all the bad smells you like, but you cant go puffing toxic smoke around in close proximity to other people.

The best analogy so far was the guy comparing it to wandering round the beer garden pissing on other peoples trousers, annoying, unpleasant and rude, but that’s still only comparing the temporary unpleasantness, it’s skipping over the fact that it wouldn’t have potential long term effects, you can go home and wash your pissy trousers, you can’t go and wash your lungs out.

Whenever this topic comes up in some way it always amazes me how the smokers feel they are being hard done by, and cant see what the problem is. As a smoker you’ve chosen/decided that the risk to your health is worth it for the reward you get, those around you have no such choice.

I have no wish to stop you smoking, but have the common decency to do it where it doesn’t impact others, wherever that is if non-smokers want to join you then they can make that choice, but it should be their choice to enter the smoke and not your choice to introduce it, and certainly not where food and drink are served/consumed, and definitely not around children.

The pro-smoking campaign group Forest said the measures would not work and may lead to pubs closing

I also find it interesting that the scare stories about pubs closing are often thrown around by ‘pro-smoking’ groups, and not by the people who run restaurants and pubs. I guess it will come down to what people want more, to go and socialise and have a drink/food, or to smoke.

Honestly, how many people would stop going to pubs because they can’t smoke there? You might be disgruntled, you might moan a bit, but I very much doubt you’d stop going full stop.

rNo you don’t.

Err yes I do. What an odd thing to say.

Just admit that you don’t even drink in pubs anyway.

Oh I see, it must have been post offices I’ve been in recently that have the beer pumps and bar and barman and tables and chairs in. My mistake. 🙄

Are we all going to have it out in the playground after school?

Edit:

but have the common decency to do it where it doesn’t impact others

Ooh, that. Exactly that. What you’re arguing about is actually the ignorant smokers that light up wherever, without consideration of others, blowing smoke out of doorways as folk walk along street, spark up when a table next to them is about to tuck into their nice beer garden lunch, or just generally when it’ll impact others.

Those are just ignorant ****, that happen to smoke.

Are we all going to have it out in the playground after school?

Can do, the wheezy smokers won’t stand a chance though. 😉

It’s not about nanny states, restriction of personal freedoms, being penalised or anything, it’s about you simply not having the right to put other peoples health at risk, you can fart and make all the bad smells you like, but you cant go puffing toxic smoke around in close proximity to other people.

Bless.

I understand that its incredibly difficult, in an open area, to position yourself away from someone who is smoking. With that bloke with a gun at your head telling you which seat to sit in. I’ve tried to stop him doing it, but he’s a bugger for it.

Here’s a thought. The problem here isn’t smokers. The problem here is inconsiderate people who happen to smoke. Engage your brain for long enough not to tar us all with the same brush, and who knows, you might be able to see past just banning everything you don’t like.

If they did ban it, on your bi-annual trips to the pub, what would you have to complain about then?

Seems to me like for a lot of people on here, us smokers are providing a valuable public service.

it’s not about nanny states, restriction of personal freedoms, being penalised or anything, it’s about you simply not having the right to put other peoples health at risk,

Do you use a car? Are you reliant upon a petro-chemical economy?
In which case get off your horse, it’s waaaay too high

Ooh, spooky same post-sentiment as Binners.

*checks for signs of Gregg’s pastry around mouth*

These people who think sharing a beer garden with a cigarette smoker is a risk to their health, do they wear breathing apparatus when in a city centre, bus station, train station or airport?

The carcinogens produced from burning fuel in those locations will be far in excess than what will be present in a typical beer garden.

Don’t smoke myself but banning smoking in beer gardens is a step too far.

Seems to me like for a lot of people on here, us smokers are providing a valuable public service.

Yup, you’re literally a dying breed.