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Should Israel execute a pre-emptive strike on Iran's nuclear sites?
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derek_starshipFree Member
It’s pretty bloody obvious that the Iranian nuclear program is not all about generating electricity for its citizens.
Somewhere, someone is developing a trigger and somewhere else, someone else is accumulating enough uranium / plutonium to make a viable nuclear device with a decent yield.
Do we just sit back and wait for an episode of Spooks to become reality or should the Israelis take a stand and bunker bomb the Iranian nuclear program.
I would prefer the latter but I’m very nervous about the consequences in this oil rich and generally unstable area of the world.
iDaveFree MemberMaybe Iran should execute a pre-emptive strike on Israel’s nuclear sites? What with all the UN resolutions they ignore…..
joeydeaconFree MemberThey’ve long since been taking action in a more subtle manner..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet.. state sponsored computer viruses..
si-wilsonFree MemberShould Iran execute a pre-emptive strike on Israel’s nuclear sites?
Depends if you think Isreal are likely to use the bomb on others, would Iran?
binnersFull MemberI say nuke the entire middle east and have done with it. It saves taking sides. They’re all mad as badgers anyway. Must be all that sunshine
TandemJeremyFree Memberderek_starship – Member
It’s pretty bloody obvious that the Iranian nuclear program is not all about generating electricity for its citizens.
really?
Evidence?
wreckerFree MemberI say nuke the entire middle east and have done with it. It saves taking sides. They’re all mad as badgers anyway. Must be all that sunshine
LOL. Only you could get away with saying that!
vinnyehFull Memberreally?
Evidence?
The IAEA report is on it’s way this week- wee article here.
I know that it’s unlikely to be enough for the doubting Thomas’s unable to poke their fingers in, but the circumstantial evidence has been pretty damning for a long time
atlazFree MemberThe mooted attack is all based on the assumption the Iranians have nothing to shoot back with. If it turns out they have any weapons complete or, god forbid, some of those dodgy briefcase nukes that were supposedly shopped to them in the 90s, it could lead to a very quick and very nasty escalation.
I don’t trust the Iranian government but I don’t think we can hold up Israel as a paragon of sanity and acceptable behaviour either.
From that Guardian link…
the US will use the IEAE report to escalate towards a military solution, there was recent leak of secret IDF airstrike on Iran which the heads of Shin Bet and Mossad say its ”stupid”, ”reckless and irresponsible
If Mossad think it’s a mental idea, maybe there’s some hope for rationality.
ElfinsafetyFree MemberMaybe Iran should execute a pre-emptive strike on Israel’s nuclear sites? What with all the UN resolutions they ignore…..
That course of action would actually be more likely to help prevent war in’t Middle East, if Israel’s nuclear capabilities were taken out of the equation. Israel, not Iran, is the biggest threat to stability in that region. Iran’s not using banned chemical weapons and other nasties against civilians like Israel is.
It’s pretty bloody obvious that the Iranian nuclear program is not all about generating electricity for its citizens.
So what if they are actually developing weapons? I’d rather see Iran have an effective nuclear deterrent against Western invasion, than yet another nation with millions of innocent people have to suffer the way so many have in Iraq, Afghanistan etc.
The West needs to look at other ways of sustaining our relatively luxurious lifestyles, or learn to stop being so greedy, in order that the whole planet can continue with any semblance of ‘peace’. It’s just obscene that countries like ours think they can just take what they want with no thought of the consequences. Disgusting.
Do we just sit back and wait for an episode of Spooks to become reality
See, this is the problem; far too much scaremongering sensationalist Western propaganda, designed to create a smoke screen and justification for the invasion of a nation in order to exploit it’s natural resources.
Hmm, where have we seen his happen before…?
CaptainFlashheartFree MemberBen, any chance of a massive espresso? Haven’t had a proper coffee in days…
druidhFree MemberSurely we should just give them all nukes? That’s the system that’s kept the world superpowers at peace for the past 50 years so it should work for everyone else too.
derek_starshipFree MemberThey should get some of this down ’em and calm the piss down!
Wasn’t it Armadinajad (sp?) who said he would wipe Israel off the world map? What a comforting thought when your neighbour says stuff like that and gets really into atom tinkering…
EDIT: I’m really thirsty now….
samuriFree MemberShould Israel execute a pre-emptive strike on Iran’s nuclear sites?
What? Again?
TandemJeremyFree Memberdruidh – Member
Surely we should just give them all nukes? That’s the system that’s kept the world superpowers at peace for the past 50 years so it should work for everyone else too.
~ah yes – the ole MAD doctrine.
wreckerFree MemberI wish we could just stop using oil. Just like that *poof* no requirement for oil anymore.
ElfinsafetyFree MemberElfinsafetyFree MemberAs for the oft-trotted out thing about Women’s rights in Iran:
Zakaria: Comparing the status of women in Iran and Saudi Arabia
So, Saudi Arabia is a country with a worse Human rights record than Iran*, yet the West continues to trade freely with them and openly support their tyrannical undemocratic regime.
*SA has a worse record than Iran in many areas of Human Rights and civil liberties. Fact. Not defending Iran’s treatment of women, homosexuals etc at all, but it’s rank hypocrisy when such things are trotted out as justification for the demonisation of an entire nation and it’s people.
mrmoFree MemberThe US would never falsify reports, look at all the weapons of mass destruction they found in Iraq, and how they captured Bin Laden in Afghanistan.
Oh….
xiphonFree MemberJust nuke Israel… nobody seems to like them, apart from the Americans (and by association, the UK).
derek_starshipFree MemberThere’s loads of VERY attractive women in Israel though…
binnersFull MemberYeah, but that’s not a fair system to decide who gets nuked Derek. I can see where you’re coming from, but its fundamentally flawed.
We don’t know if there are any attractive women in Iran as they’re all walking around in bedsheets
phil.wFree MemberIsrael, not Iran, is the biggest threat to stability in that region. Iran’s not using banned chemical weapons and other nasties against civilians like Israel is.
I think Elfin sums it up succinctly here. ^^
Unfortunately it seems stability is not worth having unless your friends are also in power.
ElfinsafetyFree MemberWe don’t know if there are any attractive women in Iran as they’re all walking around in bedsheets
Another myth!
I know they don’t have books and stuff Oop North, but I wish you blokes would find stuff out for yourselves instead of spouting Horaisms on here! 🙄
derek_starshipFree MemberEDIT: thought better of it.
*explains it was just a joke but not funny in this context or in light of Sue_W’s post last week*
iDaveFree Memberone of my ex’s was iranian and she was stunning. and no, they don’t all have to wear bedsheets.
wwaswasFull MemberHow do we get from pre-emptive strikes against nuclear plants to ‘she’s a bit of alright’ type posts?
*shakes head and leaves the thread*
ElfinsafetyFree MemberHow do we get from pre-emptive strikes against nuclear plants to ‘she’s a bit of alright’ type posts?
Norvern blokes, innit? 🙄
Incapable of engaging in intelligent condversation so resort to the default ‘caveman’ setting. They can’t help it really, as they’re probbly closer to the Missing Link than others. 😉
Ug…
druidhFree MemberWhat wwaswas said… I can’t help feeling that this thread has reached the point of objectifying women. Frankly, I’m surprised at the attitude of some of the posters, especially after the events of last week…..
We’re never gonna get Iranian women signing up to this forum with this sort of attitude!
JunkyardFree MemberIsrael is in no position to lecture any state on nuclear weapons or state sponsored terrorism
Personally I think everyone should have nuclear weapons
We ignore that nutty Korean fell because he has them …no one invades or bombs a nuclear power as that would be madness. That is why Iran want them for defensive reasons and that is why we dont want them to have them as we like to be able to bully countries in that regions.No more a threat than any other state with them despite what the papers would have you believe
Nukes are rubbish as offensive weapons it like pulling the pin out of hand grenade then hugging the person you want to kill …you both end up dead and no one [ in power] is that daftNo the state of Israel which illegally has nukes shoud not stop another country from doing what it has done.
FFS can we not debate anything on here without you lot turning it in to some sort of male libido / female attractivemness bollocks?
Sick of this shit I a really ammomentum_2000Free MemberShould Israel execute a pre-emptive strike on Iran’s nuclear sites?
I think Israel should give back Palestine.
ransosFree MemberPrior to the six-day war, Egypt amassed an army right on the Israeli border. In those circumstances, pre-emptive action may be justified.
All we have in this case is that Iran may or may not be doing what Israel has been doing for years – secretly developing a nuclear weapon. I would much prefer that they were not, but I don’t see how a strike is either justified or will enhance stability in the region.
binnersFull MemberIn light of recent understandable sensitivities I would like to state categorically that I am not advocating nuking people, or not, depending on how fit they generally are. That would be silly
However, I think that if a country has failed to export its cuisine to the extent that I’ve got a decent local restaurant nearby, possibly that do deliveries too, then its a richly deserved Armageddon for them.
Presently Turkey is safe as Houses, Greece can breath easy. Iran? I’m not too sure. Convince me they deserve to live……
druidhFree Memberbinners – you might find that “Persian” cuisine is more popular than “Iranian”. Must be a PR thing….
ElfinsafetyFree MemberWhat about Scotland, Binners?
I mean, apart from a few Aberdeen Steakhouses*, I’ve never seen any ‘Scottish’ restaurants. 😐
*Not actually properly Scottish…
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