School – parents and their parking…

Not really, because much the same principles apply – it’s hardly a wild extrapolation. Though if you want to get specific, should we not enforce illegal parking using this (apparently effective, totally legal and perfectly reasonable) method because some people have behavioural issues and might react badly?

But finding a way to enforce any rule, that’s effective, and unlikely to cause additional, and unrelated problems seems like a logical way to go about things.

It seems one has been found. The enforcement isn’t itself causing any problems which wouldn’t result from any parking enforcement against such idiots.

How do you think they will react to a “dirty peado taking pictures of kids!!”

Probably crying, face down on the street being handcuffed after a face full of pepper spray, or twitching badly as the tazer does it’s stuff.

And then having to explain why daddy/mummy is going to the big house for a couple of months to reflect on why acting like a **** is a bad thing to Jemima and Tarquin.

It’s got better at our local primary since the young lad got knocked down due to the piss poor parking standards. Some of the kids police the zig-zags and they are clear every morning.

Ask to see the school’s Travel Plan.

I can imagine the pitchfork sharpening that would be happening here if someone posted a thread about a bloke hanging around taking photos outside his kids primary school while they were dropping them off.

But yeah, fine, it’s obviously perfectly normal behaviour that nobody would find strange at all.

Our school is the same, as is the local CO-OP, cars park on the double yellows just in front of the door rather than in a space twenty yards away. We have to pick our son up from Edinburgh’s Commonwealth pool 4 times a week which has two car parks, the closest and smallest one is rammed full of cars occupied by solitary gym bunnies, the other one is half full and less than a hundred yards away. I’ve seen a BMW with a personal trainers name on the side parked in the yellow No Parking grid, whilst carers struggle to get a large group of disabled teens into the building because somebody is parked in the drop off zone. People are selfish and lazy t**ts who only think of themselves and need to save as much time as possible so they can spend it on Facebook, Twitter or playing candy crush. FFS.

When I had my suspected heart attack (it wasn’t) the ambulance went to Manchester Royal Infirmary as its the dedicated coronary acute unit for the area.
There is a clear area outside the main doors where the casualties come, its clearly marked as a no parking zone with lots of paint & big eff-off signs everywhere.
As my ambulance pulled in a woman was in the process of parking there, the ambo driver was screaming at her and she was saying “but I’ll only be a few minutes!”

What sort of mindset allows people to be so self centred as to think that blocking an ambulance from getting into a critical care facility is in any way acceptable?

I can imagine the pitchfork sharpening that would be happening here if someone posted a thread about a bloke hanging around taking photos outside his kids primary school while they were dropping them off.

But yeah, fine, it’s obviously perfectly normal behaviour that nobody would find strange at all.

You do realise, of course, that there’s a world of difference between taking photos of badly parked cars and loitering outside a primary school taking covert shots through the railings with a telephoto lens?

If people are going to get bent out of shape because someone is perfectly legitimately and legally walking around with a camera, then it’s them who need educating. One of the nice things about this country is that there are very few places where hobbyist photography is verboten; you have the right to take photos pretty much anywhere where you’re on public land, and you generally don’t need the permission of your subjects (though of course, it’s nice to ask).

And of course, that’s all moot anyway if you’re a bloody plain clothes copper.

There’s also a wide gulf between doing nothing and stringing up an innocent bloke from the nearest tree.

Rather than jumping straight to a lynching a concerned parent could, y’know, ask what the person with the camera is doing. Then when they say “I’m a police officer, here’s my warrant card, and I’m taking photos of people parking illegally” the situation is all clear and no one gets named and shamed as a paediatrician.

I know there is no laws or regulations preventing it, but I also know (and so does everyone else if they admit it) that it’s the kind of behaviour that it fairly likely to cause an issue because of the paranoia surrounding children these days.

I’m not agreeing with the paranoia, but why antagonise someone into making bad decisions when it can be avoided?

Have you ever heard of plain clothes Police doing Traffic Wardens jobs before?

I’m not even totally convinced it happened come to think of it, everyone is always saying how stretched they are, how likely are they to deploy Plain Clothes Officers to monitor a school car parking issue.

pretending it’s not asking for trouble to hang around outside a school taking photos, is just wishful thinking.

It shouldn’t be an issue, but the reality is different and we all know it is.

Saying otherwise is like those people who pretend not to know what Facebook is whenever it gets discussed.

it’s the kind of behaviour that it fairly likely to cause an issue because of the paranoia surrounding children these days.

So?

This is basically the ‘offended’ argument again. People want to be paranoid, fine, let them be. By pandering to their overactive nonce gland you’re just enabling them.

To clarify. Plain clothes officers are just a couple of neighbourhood officers who have bought a pair of jeans in for the day. This was not a specialist department requiring specialist surveillance training. This was considered to be a far cheaper and effective solution than having a near permanent PCSO presence.
No one was hurt. Everything was fine.

But when the same ends are easily achieved without causing the problem, do that.

Because, it’s easier.

It’s a pointless discussion anyway.

Plain Clothes Police don’t get deployed to handle parking problems.

Traffic wardens possibly, but it will take some effort.

But then you’re pandering to idiots. Why should they get to win? It’s a similar argument to making cyclists obey the same rules as dangerous car drivers just because the ‘they don’t pay road tax’ brigade might start running over cyclists out of spite.

But when the same ends are easily achieved without causing the problem, do that.

Because, it’s easier.

But, as pointed out at least twice now, the same ends are not achieved. People go back to acting like dicks as soon as the uniforms disappear. Ever driven down a motorway and seen a bubble of impeccable driving around a Highway Patrol vehicle?

It’s a pointless discussion anyway.

Because you’re wrong? (-:

because you were wrong

No.

Because police can’t issue parking fines based on photographic evidence.

They don’t need the photo it’s just a nice to have. They have witnessed the offence in person. BTW it’s not a parking fine as such. Parking on the hashing is an endorsable offence.

I don’t really understand why this is all so unbelievable.

it rains and can be cold in the winter

Diddums! 🙄
In 1963, I was in junior school, which was around half a mile from where I lived. I walked to school and back every day, for three months, in the snow, wearing a shirt, jumper, blazer, long trousers*, and a fish-tail parka (with all-important fur round the hood).
*I was the first kid in school to wear long trousers, because my mum thought it was too cold for shorts. She wasn’t wrong, and all the other kids had them shortly after.

nealglover – Member
because you were wrong
No. Yes

Because police can’t issue parking fines based on photographic evidence.
You’re a lawyer?
Anyway, perhaps not, but I’m pretty sure photographic evidence can be used in a court of law, otherwise CCTV and speed camera evidence wouldn’t be used, in which case, explain the proliferation of such cameras.
And at the very least, the photos can provide clear evidence of an on-going issue that could lead to further efforts to clamp down on the problem.

Whilst I’m inclined to agree with most on the matter of plain clothes I do agree that they could potentially get someone, if not into bother then looking like a massive tit.

Case in point: I was sitting in my (legally parked) car waiting on my missus one day when I spotted one of Glasgows finest sniffing round a bike. Watched him brazenly yank it about the place till the cheap twisty lock snapped just as I shouted at him. After the usual denials that he was up to anything off he sodded and I went back to my car only to be approached by his mates wanting to know what was going on. Fight or flight was kicking in as the tall one got beside me and his neddy bint of a girlfriend reached into her tracky top for a knife but instead pulled out her ID card. Turns out they were just out on safari looking for shoplifters.

Was close enough though that I was considering decking her and doing a runner, sure that would have ended well…

you’re a lawyer

No.

But I know that parking fines need to be attached to the vehicle and cannot be issued by post based on cctv or photo evidence.

I don’t have Kids..

BUT

We have a school just down the road and a small Tesco Express next-door to the school, it has parking spaces for 8 cars and it’s a busy road too because it’s thinly one in/out of the village. The random parking creates chaos and we’ve had police/pcso’s patrol for the angst it causes.

We have 2 security guards on patrol in the Tescos carpark to stop parents coming in, parking, offloading kids then driving out.

It’s quite hilarious watching the parents finger wag/window down/shout at the security guards and you should hear the language when they block the entrance..

There is a dedicated drop off point 50 mts up the road, built especially to simmer down the angst. 😆

Parking badly is driving without due care and can be prosecuted by a summons supported by photos . most coppers will do tasks in civilian clothes not just cid.
Many ops against anti social behaviour are done this way.

Who mentioned “parking fines” (correctly known as penalty charge notices)? Oh yes, that was you!

Unless of course you meant a fine for bad parking (along with points which was mentioned when other people mentioned a fine, and should have given you a clue they were talking about something different), in which case you’re wrong.

I’m sure you’re enjoying yourself though, do carry on.

Parking fines can be issued by post later based on no photo evidence, so they surely can if they actually have photo evidence. . I know coz I received one. There is a bus stop outside our house and the local traffic wardens routinely ticket us if we leave a car there. (Parked across the dropped kerb to our drive)
One morning as I was setting off to work the warden turned up and my wife’s car was on the bus stop. So I nipped in and got the keys and moved it. Got a ticket in the post which I questioned as they had no evidence. Answer was that they have the right to issue tickets after the event if the car is moved or if they feel threatened etc. the evidence they sent was a photo of the no parking sign…!

But I know that parking fines need to be attached to the vehicle and cannot be issued by post based on cctv or photo evidence.

cctv cars and vans can and do issue tickets by post once the film is proccessed to get the reg numbers.

also a ticket can be issued by post if the driver refuses to accept the ticket, throws it off vehicle or just drives off before completion of the vehicle info is filled in

Local school to me, they park on the zig zags AND the bloody zebra crossing to let their effin spawn decamp! Does my head in! Best day was when a bus broke down 50m from the school and blocked the road, one posh 4×4 bint looked like she was going to have a heart attack because her little darling was going to have to walk to the car.

cctv cars and vans can and do issue tickets by post once the film is proccessed to get the reg numbers.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jun/21/cctv-spy-cars-banned

Although I presumed it was parking fines that were being handed out.

If it wasn’t then fair enough, I misunderstood.

Seeing as the topic is about parking, I suppose it was an easy enough mistake. But don’t let that stop you getting excited aracer.

I live so close to my sons school we take a detour just to make the walk worth while, my neighbour is even closer and drive his kid to school but the drive takes longer then the walk as he has to go around the one way first but the real piss take is hevis not of to work afterwards. No he drives back home.

I live directly opposite an infants/juniors school in a very small cul de sac. As you can guess every morning and afternoon my road is swamped in the most ignorant people I’ve ever had the misfortune to come across. I’ve come home at three ish some days to find mothers/fathers parked actually on my drive with their bumpers up against my front door and others t-boning across the end of it. I had to have a row just to get on my drive. I’ve lost the plot so many times now that I am getting prepared to move as I will end up punching some guy as I cannot stand their arrogance. Its already got to the stage of verbal threats and fist to face so it’s time I left this area!