Rockshox Lyrik Settings

Thanks raybanwomble, a useful reply there (if slightly condescending). I’ve been riding with enough variety of modern suspension forks long enough to know something isn’t right with these from instinct. I appreciate what you’re saying regarding tight seals and bushings, they had a fairly rowdy first ride but still felt the same at the end of the day as the start. I have to agree with rickon though, they still feel over damped. I burped the forks as suggested and no apparent pressure had built up within the lowers at all.

I have the pressure set just above middle of the range for my weight so I’m not trying to run it too soft and be too progressive. I see what you’re also suggesting through the Vorsprung video (I’m sure the presenter is very very knowledgeable but boy does he need to work on delivery. He talks himself into several slight contradictions and just ends each by saying it’s true or false. I get the idea that if it is underdamped on compression then you risk reaching the spike at peak force of the air chamber reaching the bottom of travel far too quickly. This is not what I’m feeling, it’s the initial impact when the front wheel leaves and then re-contacts the ground.

So I have taken the factory installed single token out and I’m off for a ride now so will see what it’s like and try refitting if necessary.

I guess the Lyrik is aimed at a burlier use than the Pike was, but the Pike was out of the box (had 2 sets from new and neither had anywhere this much ‘stiction’ feel for want of a better description) and both were so simple to get exactly where I wanted. I fitted a Luftkappe to my latest Pikes and didn’t adjust damping at all, even with the enlarged negative air chamber and the Debonair is supposed to be Rockshox’s equivalent solution to the Luftkappe.

Glenh let us know how you get on with thinner oil…

Veero – You’re explaining exactly how I feel about the Lyrik so far. It does feel a lot better with zero tokens in there and more air. Less ramp up, more mid-stroke, better dynamic height etc…

I do suspect I’ll be sticking with half a token or 1 token, and then when it’s time for a damper service I’ll get James at J-tec to reshim the HSC for me.

I’ve had similar experience with the Lyrics on my Nukeproof 290.

I’m about 75kg with all my gear, my previous Pikes had a couple of tokens in then and and were set up pretty quickly.

With the Lyriks I had a Shockwiz on them for a while which was indicating the need for 3 tokens and about 55psi which just left a really harsh ride.

Currently running no tokens and 70psi and they are miles better

2018 170mm 27.5 Lyrik with 2019 Air spring. 87kg nekkid, 100psi and one token with no compression damping and rebound 9 clicks out from closed gives 30%ish sag and uses all the travel on not particularly gnarly trails. Will try some suggestions on here but suspect I’m going to end up in the 125psi bracket.

Bike was dragging it’s arse round Surrey hills at the weekend, smacked the rear foot pedal a few times even with level cranks on not particularly lumpy trails. Heavy ebike mind but was going to look at reducing the sag/trying to get it to sit higher in the travel or some such anyway.

Fork tends to sit with 155-160mm of stanchion showing although I hear this is normal? Need to check if my shock pump is reading wrong too.

We see it so much where people who aren’t that heavy have rammed their fork full of volume spacers and now run 60psi instead of say 80psi and then wonder why they have no mid stroke support. They just end up with a fork that rides terribly, blowing through its travel then ramping up so hard at the end of the stroke that they only ever get 80% of the travel. They then think what they should do is drop the pressure more! What we NEED IS MORE TOKENS! Its what the ShockWiz said!

Thanks raybanwomble, a useful reply there (if slightly condescending).

Need to catch up with the thread before I post anything else – but sorry for that!

I will state that I reckon it takes a good 10-20 hours of riding before the seals bed in though.

Now at 90psi, half a token, 2 clicks of LSC from open, rebound pretty fast.

Feels absolutely spot on now. Definitely too many tokens and not enough psi before.

So thanks to Raybanwomble, you were spot on. Also Geex, one of my shock pumps was about 10psi out too!

Well on my hybrid 18/19s I’m now on no tokens and at 140psi for about 25% sag….will see what it’s like on my local trails tomorrow. Also put another 30psi in my rear shock to move that to 25%

And it felt massively better. nothing really gnarly (dude) around here but so much more supportive, made the bike much easier to ride fast. Still 30mm of travel unused though so have knocked it down to 130psi. Back end much better too

Well I give up, they’re going back.

Tried no tokens, 1 & 2 with various combos of the correct pressure and way less than required to see what effect that had. I can almost get comfortable full travel with less air than required but of course it sits far too low in the travel and blows through mid stroke and bottoms out. Correct pressure in there and it feels dull an lifeless again with a thud on even small landing impacts.

These are just crap and do not live up to the magical marketing BS spouted about them. A mate has a set of 18 Lyriks which I fitted a Debonair shaft to and his are out of this world compared to mine. Even before the Debonair they were plush and forgiving, he runs 4-5 clicks of LSC as well. I guess the only difference is the damper, Charger 1 not 2. Maybe this new CHarger 2 damper is just completely over damped? If so it utterly defeats the super dooper-ness of the super slippery Debonair seals and supposed enhanced plushness.

Utterly disppointing.

Maybe there was a technical issue with the damper. Bladder dampers can technically be overfilled.

I’d try a Grip 2 Fox though, personally.

I slight backed off the pressure, so mine are now at about 90psi which gives 30% sag under 13.5 stone of me plus the Levo. About 5 clicks of LSC and 1 click of HSC. Very good forks!

does anyone know if its possible to run a lyrik at 140mm of travel?

hope so I’ve got a 140mm airshaft in the garage I’ve been meaning to fit to HT for ages

I’m at 90psi, half a token, 4 clicks of LSC from open, rebound pretty fast.

After a good few hours the seals and bushings seem to be really settling in now, as they feel super plush and controlled, but really supportive and comfortable.

Brilliant set of forks.

Maybe this new CHarger 2 damper is just completely over damped? If so it utterly defeats the super dooper-ness of the super slippery Debonair seals and supposed enhanced plushness.

Open HSC damper setting on the charger 2 gives less HSC damping than the Charger 1 according to people who have dyno’d them.

Well I guess mine be **** then. The whole principle of Debonair is to be plusher than previous RS forks and compete with current Fox offerings, so why these have been so awful seems bizarre. Less HSC on the C2 versus C1 makes a lot of sense. Although the Pikes were reliable as hell, they were always at their peak performance for a short period after a lower leg lube and service. That was until I fitted the Luftkappe, then I was just blown away by how good they were consistently. These Lyriks should have been that and more.

I will report back how the GRIP2 is very soon…

Warranty replacement on the way. I guess they were borked then, I wonder how many others are out there that people are putting up with…

Shame that I’ve sold the bike they were on and now have a set of Fox 36 Floats which were MUUUUCH smoother out of the box.