Riding on Low (zero) carb diet

Get her to switch to brown rice and pasta as a starter and add more fish/seafood to your diet.

Next time she has that grim bloated feeling after a meal filled with potatoes, tell her that it can all go away. Or just cook for her one night, make the full roast dinner but with no spuds or other crap, see how she feels after that.

It sums up people like slimming world when their highest point/sin or whatever food is coconut. I had a girl who does it tell me an avocada has less calories and fat than a mars bar, so she’ll stick to the mars bar!

To be fair, she has recently switched to wholemeal pasta and we do try and have fish a couple of times a week.

And I always do all the cooking, so she largely gets to eat what I want to eat, but usually wants to have some carbs with it. And is still totally convinced that low fat is king, hence all the weightwatchers type food, when I say food I mean snacks, i.e. low fat biscuits, crisps etc.

But I cant seem to convince her otherwise.

Oh… she should just ditch them all together. Snacks are essentially shite.

Eat fat to lose fat, people just can’t grasp it. A BIG lad in my office eats low fat everything, I seek out as much fat as I can get. He’s about 15 stone at 5ft 8 and i’m 12 stone 12 at 6ft, go figure, but you can’t talk to them!

What about skinny feckers that only eat haribo and mars bars? How does that work?

Could someone with a BMI of 25 ever actually be skinny??

Yes. My BMI is over 23, but my body fat is just over 6%. That’s according to the USMC formulae which is “as accurate as skin fold testing with calipers, but with a lower standard error of estimation”.

Someone with more muscle mass could easily hit BMI of 25, carrying no more fat than I do, and looking skinny.

The Southern Yeti – Member
What about skinny feckers that only eat haribo and mars bars? How does that work?

They generally have heart attacks, and blame it all on red meat.

I bet you don’t look skinny though… ripped maybe, lean definitely, but actually skinny?

nick3216 – Member

Could someone with a BMI of 25 ever actually be skinny??

Yes. My BMI is over 23, but my body fat is just over 6%. That’s according to the USMC formulae which is “as accurate as skin fold testing with calipers, but with a lower standard error of estimation”.

Someone with more muscle mass could easily hit BMI of 25, carrying no more fat than I do, and looking skinny.

6% is superb, do you find that easy enough to maintain? I’m at 8.9 just now and not sure how much further I really want to bring it.

Carl Frampton follows paleo and is at 2% but it looks disgusting, though it clearly works for him.

+1for whole meal versions… Less processed = better.

Quinoa cooks a bit like couscous but is whole grain and lower GI and a bit of a superfood. Yummy in salads, or with a stew on top. Can be cooked one handed (I foresee a lot of buying veg and meat pre-diced for the one-handed but with a slow cooker & lazy garlic, decent stews should be possible). Today’s lunchbox: sauteed chopped smoked bacon, onion, chilli with a sprinkling of long pepper mixed with boiled quinoa to which I added sliced curly kale just before it finished cooking. Allow to cool, slice in tomatoes and top with a spoonful of extra virgin olive oil and a little balsamic.

Weight watchers is my pet hate – the idea of mutual support in a group is fine but all the ‘low cal’ treats are rubbish, full of chemicals of dubious use if not actual harm. Plus the points mean that you can eat junk and still think you are doing yourself good when you’re not even eating a conventionally balanced diet never mind a properly healthy one. My business partner uses the weigh ins and points as a structure for losing weight but gets dirty looks for running in!

This Carl Frampton?

Sorry Yeti, my work filter the internet and th epic isn’t showing up, he’s a boxer though if that’s what you have there. Seen a pic from the weight in before his last fight, it was ridiculous how ripped he was.

Aye, that’s who I’ve posted… most of his pics don’t look like he has just 2% fat… that’s below ‘essential’ level, surely.

I would imagine he went through a mega cut to make weight and then probably bulked up again pre fight a bit but that was in a statement released by his camp at the time anyway. I always thought that anything under 5% was considered dangerous.

As I have’t seen any info I thought I would just post up some links to books and some blog’s I have found very useful if your after more detailed information etc.

The Perfect Health Diet – http://www.amazon.co.uk/Perfect-Health-Diet-Youthful-Vitality/dp/0982720904/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1332375301&sr=8-1

The Paleo Diet for Athletes – http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Paleo-Diet-Athletes-Cordain/dp/1594860890/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1332375320&sr=1-1

Plenty of internet links out there but the one below puts good info based around sport and links to plenty of other sources to get further information:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/OptimumNutrition4Sport/131822740956
http://optimumnutrition4sport.co.uk/articles/

6% is superb, do you find that easy enough to maintain

I do now that I don’t eat simple carbs!

she largely gets to eat what I want to eat, but usually wants to have some carbs with it. And is still totally convinced that low fat is king, hence all the weightwatchers type food, when I say food I mean snacks, i.e. low fat biscuits, crisps etc.

Get her to read The Diet Delusion / Good Calories/Bad Calories for the win.

definitely agree with very low fat looking a bit nasty. I’m about 4-5% – 66kg @ 6’1 and incredibly veiny/pale. If it wasn’t for performance reasons I’d try and put some back on, although that would involving me eating carbs so no go.

Maybe if I could get a tan?

Legspin have mailed you on the above address.

10 Days in on zero carbs(well, 20g per day max, mainly from veg) – 8lb weight loss.

Managed a 50 mile sportive on sunday, although, it was supposed to be 57 miles.. I hit the wall so hard I thought I was going to die. I suspect massive drop in blood sugars was the culprit, as carrying my hefty weight uphill became a crawl at best.
It honestly felt like running 3 marathons in tandem on every incline.

So is that with no beans/dairy then? Ooof!

well done dude!

i had a whole tub of chocolate based pix and mix for lunch.

riding tonight then staring at the mirror crying until i fall asleep

So is that with no beans/dairy then? Ooof!

Yep, im now essentially fuelled on bacon, cheese, cabbage and (my own)fat!

well done dude!

Cheers!
Although having to quit 7 miles from the finish was tough. I hate quitting. But I honestly felt I was about to do much more harm than good if I continued.

Cut out processed carbs two years ago after I found out I was gluten intolerant.

However, still have some starchy food, eg jacket potato, rice very very occassionally etc and gluten free oats plus yoghurt for breakfast.

Anyway after this thread popped up I thought I’d be even stricter. So cut out virtually all carbs 3 days ago, rode for 2hrs on sat, an hour on Sun and an hour today.

Have put on 4lbs! 🙁

ive noticed my water intake is through the roof.
Pending how much ive been working out/sweating/peeing etc, my weight fluctuates more than normal throughout the day.

I must have had 10 mugs of water already today

I have lost 15lb in 80 days, rode 30 miles Saturday, 50 miles Sunday and all by just not being greedy 😀

my weight fluctuates more than normal throughout the day.

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How often do you weigh yourself??

I lost 22lbs in 3 weeks when I first cut out processed carbs. Was quite worried at the time. And that was without exercise. Alas half of that it has crept back on over two years.

I was incredibly thirsty yesterday. Must have drunk 3 or 4 litres in the space of 2 hours. But it was hot.

How often do you weigh yourself??

Depends, if im home, and perhaps due to head out for a couple hours exercise, I may weigh myself before and after to help gauge water loss.

Tend to ‘weigh in’ for a weekly every sunday.

May even have a cheeky weigh in after a big poo. Just because.

No idea what happened after page 2 in this thread.

Struggling to keep a straight face at work after properly wetting myself at AndyP. Well done sir. 😆

Basically we still know **** all on how the body works

Is right. For instance, if I eat a sausage, a little bit later I do a poo. But if I eat a poo, I don’t do a sausage. Work that one out.

Still struggling. Involuntary giggle while previewing the post. I hope nobody walks into my office right now.

SlimJim:

….cheese

Call me old fashioned, but isn’t cheese a dairy product?

Yep, but super low in carbs, to the point of some varieties being virtually free.
It’s something to do with cheese being made from the whey skimmed from the top of milk. I imagine the lactose is virtually all removed.

Cheese & Cream are both suitable for low carb/Atkins diet, in reasonable moderation

May even have a cheeky weigh in after a big poo. Just because.

You owe me a new keyboard. There’s a thread on /b about “things you do you think no-one else does” That must surely be on there.

Yep, but super low in carbs, to the point of some varieties being virtually free.
It’s something to do with cheese being made from the whey skimmed from the top of milk. I imagine the lactose is virtually all removed.

Cheese & Cream are both suitable for low carb/Atkins diet, in reasonable moderation

Interesting. Cheers.

If your riding a bike and especially doing sportives you really shouldn’t be doing them zero carb, key is not to just cut it out but to eat the right types and time them in relation to your riding. Your body can more effectively utilise its glycogen stores by becoming more efficient at burning fat and therefore use less glycogen but once it is depleted (and it will reduce slowly when riding) you will hit the wall regardless of how well you metabolise fat.

thats precisely what happened.

Unfortunately for me this was merely a case of bad timing mixed with an experiment.
I switched to Atkins diet recently and am not willing to drop out of Ketosis in the immediate future, so wanted to see just what was possible on the ride.
seems 50 miles in my case.

Managed a 50 mile sportive on sunday, although, it was supposed to be 57 miles.. I hit the wall so hard I thought I was going to die.

This isnt clever.

dont think anyone said it was clever.

oh and Jamies surprise at cheese is presumably due to its exclusion from idiet

agreed, not clever. I don’t recommend it.

Felt surprisingly well the next day though.
One plus is understanding what you body is truly capable of.

6 days into the iDave diet.

Haven’t lost a pound 🙁

But have ridden every day this week and managed a fasted 18 mile mtb ride this morning, without taking on any extra carbs. Although my legs were fairly shot on the last climb.

Cheat day today, so had a bowl of granola with yoghurt and fruit after the ride and having roast with spuds and parsnips later. 😀