Religious ‘End-of-Days’ nuts; scary.

Strikes me a deeply held belief isn't much of a creature if it causes the holder to fall apart at the first sign of deeply-held objection – to which I am entitled. People who believe this stuff really can't expect special treatment especially as their beliefs are demonstrably likely to promote disgust in others. "End days" sadism fantasies, suicide bombings and other less violent, but objectionable habits.

Religion has had it's own way for centuries – now that there's a groundswell of objection to it, it's followers get all offended and uptight about it, claiming hurt and offense and expecting "special" treatment (and priveleged taxes).

Well O.K. – go ahead and be hurt and offended. Have a go at my atheism why don't you. It's big enough to take it.

If you want to have a religious discussion without a load of people getting upset about it, you have to be very careful, considerate and tactful about it.

I can't see why religion is any more delicate than your world-flatness belief, dress sense or political opinions

Thankyou. My point.

People who believe this stuff really can't expect special treatment

It's got nothing to do with speical treatment!

Mate, it's all about how you present yourself and your arguments. It's not special treatment. I always try and be nice and provoke thoughtful debate without insulting. And if I offend someone, I apologise and try to make everyone happy again.

Confrontation is rarely productive in an intellectual debate, you have to understand that.

I always try and be nice and provoke thoughtful debate without insulting.

Oh, really?

Plus, you are allowed to disagree with people but you are not allowed to upset them by trying to ram your views down their throat like you do on here.

"Allowed" – "ram" – long after I'd ceased to argue and even left the discussion.

Yeah, I always try. Sometimes I fail, but I always try.

I accept your endgame.

Now I see that barnsleymitch has resurfaced elsewhere and, in his own blemishless and of course considerably holy way, is trying to provoke another muscular discussion with me.

Ciao, ciao.

Confrontation is rarely productive in an intellectual debate, you have to understand that.

neither acquiescence

Food for thought:

98 out of the last 100 Nobel Prize Winners in physics have been athiests. 1 christian and 1 muslim.

Speaks volumes.

Speaks volumes.

Yep, it says that apparently, you can a Christian or Muslim and still win the Nobel Prize in physics.

What about Hindus ? ……….why can't you be Hindu and win the Nobel Prize in physic ?

It's really gonna put India at a disadvantage in it's quest to become a future superpower 😕

Speaks volumes.

that creationists think they already know how the universe works so they don't need to investigate it further?

Speaks volumes

That you should check facts before you accept them maybe ?

These people don't sound like very committed "atheists" :

Albert Einstein Nobel Laureate in Physics Jewish
Max Planck Nobel Laureate in Physics Protestant
Erwin Schrodinger Nobel Laureate in Physics Catholic
Werner Heisenberg Nobel Laureate in Physics Lutheran
Robert Millikan Nobel Laureate in Physics probably Congregationalist
Charles Hard Townes Nobel Laureate in Physics United Church of Christ (raised Baptist)
Arthur Schawlow Nobel Laureate in Physics Methodist
William D. Phillips Nobel Laureate in Physics Methodist
William H. Bragg Nobel Laureate in Physics Anglican
Guglielmo Marconi Nobel Laureate in Physics Catholic and Anglican
Arthur Compton Nobel Laureate in Physics Presbyterian
Arno Penzias Nobel Laureate in Physics Jewish
Nevill Mott Nobel Laureate in Physics Anglican
Isidor Isaac Rabi Nobel Laureate in Physics Jewish
Abdus Salam Nobel Laureate in Physics Muslim
Antony Hewish Nobel Laureate in Physics Christian (denomination?)
Joseph H. Taylor, Jr. Nobel Laureate in Physics Quaker

Speaks volumes

That you should check facts before you accept them maybe ?

Oof.

I was never that good at science. lol.

That you should check facts before you accept them maybe ?

Are the facts from here?

http://www.adherents.com/people/100_Nobel.html

Not really objective. Nor the last 100 either is it?

It did look like a good forum 'smack down' though 🙂

Interesting list, ernie. Doesn't prove anything very much, other than the belief system they were all raised in. It doesn't give any indication at all as to whether they were actual practicing believers. I was baptised CofE, don't mean I go to church or even have any belief. As it happens I'm rather with SfB on this one. I do know quite a lot of scientists were/are believers, but just 'cos a list says something don't make it true. Not without empiracle evidence.

As it happens I'm rather with SfB on this one

Oi! don't put it down to me – I just suggested why physicists might not be given to religion – or vice versa.

Doesn't prove anything very much….

Not really, no……apart from the fact some people claim something different to what was suggested.

I have no idea what is actually correct. But then again, I couldn't give a toss who wins the Nobel Prizes. And never have done. Well not since I discovered that Peace Prize was awarded to a couple of warmongers anyway.