Recession and job loses,whens it going to end………………..

Blaming the rich/bankers/policitians won’t make you any more desirable to an employer or your life any better IME… I’ve seen quite a few people do it. And I’ve seen a lot of people not do it, and I know who’s happiest…

Anyway, haven’t the rich already consolidated their power, isn’t that how they got to the top of the tree in the first place? Hierarchy exists in every social structure in nature, someone’s got to be at the top surely? In global terms, and even within Europe, living in the UK actually puts us pretty firmly in the rich camp anyway!

When the world is changing around us, victimising/disempowering ourselves by blaming others strikes me as an unlikely recipe for personal fulfilment and happiness… I’ve not seen anyone pull that one off yet

” totally out of touch with real people just like some of you above.”

Project. I realise your situation is a less than happy one and I sympathise. But this remark is a bit wide of the mark. Some technical / creative / knowledge sectors have staffing shortfalls, fact. Reporting that does mean the reporter is out of touch with the dire situation in other sectors.

I saw the effects of the recession almost two and a half years ago when I took (voluntary) redundancy.

Not experienced it since – just about to hit my first quarter of a million in turnover – working on my own, in the construction industry. Note I’m talking turnover (not profit) before anyone starts.

Saying that – although there is potential to increase turnover/profit by employing people, I won’t be doing so – it’s too much bloody hassle. Not the actual employment aspect, but the red tape, accreditation, administration and general jumping through hoops (and ergo increase in overheads/risk) that comes with it.

00soppd – Member
I work for a large diesel engine manufacturer as a design engineer

Just curious.

Peterborough based?

slainte ❓ rob

00soppd – Member
I work for a large diesel engine manufacturer as a design engineer

Or Shrewsbury…

On another note I remember a certain Tony Blair declaring that he wanted 50% of kids to go to University – forgot to tell them to do something useful. What we needed at the time was plumbers and electricians etc.

We (you now I have left) have an economy that was based on fake money a great chunk of which was in the housing market – my house is worth x more than I paid for it remortgage and buy crap we don’t need.

High levels of personal debt remove confidence in the economy hence no spending.

As for job creation I gave one back! They were looking for 4 in my team after I left (skilled maths/IT based roles). If there is no work where you live and work in other places MOVE!!! Get off your arse and go.

As for other areas it was obvious that we needed less Public Sector middle managers and bull s******s and more useful and productive people.

As for job creation I gave one back! They were looking for 4 in my team after I left (skilled maths/IT based roles). If there is no work where you live and work in other places MOVE!!! Get off your arse and go.

By bike?

Recession and job loses,whens it going to end………………..

When you lot start buying British !.

If there is no work where you live and work in other places MOVE!!! Get off your arse and go.

As for other areas it was obvious that we needed less Public Sector middle managers and bull s******s and more useful and productive people
THIS ^^^^

No recession around here.
Everyones out in there new cars,going to the pub or the shops.
Courtesy of Mobility of course !

In my field (geology) there’s a good number of senior positions going but nothing to get people on the ladder. I’m very lucky as I got one, but for new starters there’s nothing. So while middleagetrackworld will be doing OK, those who need to start their careers are ending up on the minimum wage down in a shop (which is what I did for 7 months) or claiming benefits.

This problem won’t go away until we have a government that realises that austerity is not the answer, and injecting money into the system (like the US, where unemployment is falling, have done) for projects and to stimulate spending is the way to get people off benefits and into jobs.

Not very relevant but it made me annoyed so I thought I’d share!

Listening to the radio yesterday made me a bit sad. It was a report on how tough it was on the youth of today to get into work and featured an in depth piece by way of demonstration with a course leader and students in Liverpool on a level 1 BTEC in digital media studies. The course leader was saying it was such a shame very few of her students ever left the course and went on to employment in the profession and she normally recommended they stayed on and got further qualifications (in media) if they couldn’t find a job but then admitted that didn’t seem to help much either. Then they interviewed a student who said he didn’t expect to be able to get a job – there were jobs in Manchester but nothing in Liverpool so he didn’t know if he could be bothered any more.

Just struck me as lunacy all around – why have a crappy course in media that there is obviously little call for in terms of preparing kids for the world of work and giving kids false hopes and expectations. Of course it will be full – dicking around with video editing kit sounds cool when you are 17; but sadly work is often not very cool – that’s why it’s called work not play. And then to have potential work available 35 wholes miles away and not consider moving to be able to start a career…..spanners!

By bike?

Probably better off using a removal company.

So unemployment owes much to the fact that so many silly buggers are now living in the wrong place ?

It seems to me that we could perhaps wipe one million off the unemployment figure if everybody just moved back to where they were living 10 years ago. And they concentrated on not living in the wrong place in the future.

We have people running the country who have never been on a bus,let alone seen one built and probably think that engineering is something poor people do.

Theyre totally out of touch with real people just like some of you above.

What absolute tosh. So people who have money are not ‘real people’ is that what you are saying?

By ‘real people’ do you mean anyone born with a big chip on their shoulder because they didn’t have private education?

Trouble with ‘real people’ is that if they do have grand ambitions to become the PM, then it’s going to be doubly hard for them to convince the public to vote for them if they can barely string together a cohesive sentence 😉

Taking Mr & Mrs T Blair from Islington as examples of real people…..

if I’m not mistaken we spent about 15 years under labour building s*** and that didn’t exactly do that much for our current position.

People who had state education can’t “string together a cohesive sentence” ?

This place really is a mine of information.

Captain_Crash – Member
If there is no work where you live and work in other places MOVE!!! Get off your arse and go.

Really – there are millions of unemployed – where are these millions of jobs? in jeopardy? Wheres that?

Maybe not millions but they are out there
http://www.nrl.co.uk/index.php/employment/vacancies?view=vacancy&ref=&sortby=&page=1&limit=0
http://www.capitaresourcing.co.uk/nuclear-engineering-jobs
http://www.capitaresourcing.co.uk/water-engineering-jobs

If there is no work where you live and work in other places MOVE!!! Get off your arse and go.

Exactly, couldn’t agree more. All the time you hear people whinging about how there are no jobs in their area, yet they stay there and keep claiming the dole regardless? Talk about crazy!!!

That’s why these people often complain that all the immigrants have ‘stolen’ their jobs. No, the immigrants have taken the jobs because they got off their arses and have moved to find work. They also tend to have the motivation to work hard and to turn up on time.

Some of these jobless British think that the lower paid work that immigrants often take is ‘beneath them’.

Well firstly surely being on the long term dole is about as low as you’ll ever get, and secondly why can’t they see that a job – even a menial low paid job can be the first rung on the ladder to bigger and better things.

so, I’ve responded suggesting that a British based company is creating skilled jobs, mainly through apprenticeships in the UK. For the UK based business.

That’s a fact.

Funny how in the world of STW that makes me ‘out of touch with the real world’.

That 17 year old apprentice I was chatting to on the bus the other day must have been a figment of my imagination. So too must the 15 year old lad who I talked to about him following his dad into engineering cos its a ‘good future’.

I know that times are tough, and I both sympathise and empathise with people who have been or are out of work – but its not all doom and gloom.

Maybe not millions but they are out there

I think most people understand the concept that unemployment doesn’t mean that there isn’t a single job vacancy in the country.

In the same way that famine isn’t caused because there isn’t any food at all.

I think most people understand the concept that unemployment doesn’t mean that there isn’t a single job vacancy in the country.

But this is STW… 🙁

It will end when the big corporations behind most of the media decide its over and start giving out positive news. Its very easy to make the public believe in a down turn, just promote negative stories, most of what you’ve stated are from newspapers etc. Drive a recession and the rich get richer, shares go down, house prices drop etc etc and those with money buy more at rock bottom prices. Its sad but we are controlled by the media and the huge fingers in all the pies corporations that probably linked with mp’s investments, board members etc. This may be a load of bull though

now we got onto housing it would probably help if houses were 30% cheaper (or closer to what they are worth) so that people could afford to buy them

Yay. lets all move to London, where the streets are paved with Louis Vuitton Handbags.

We can take advantage of the extensive high-quality, affordable housing and marvelous infrastructure. What better future could one want for ones offspring than enrolling them in an education system that, by the admission of a certain Mr B Johnson, farts out 25-50% of children lacking basic literacy and numeracy skills.

There are enough homes and infrastructure to support the 2.7 million people who’ll be on the next train with their flat caps and whippets in tow?

That 17 year old apprentice I was chatting to on the bus the other day must have been a figment of my imagination. So too must the 15 year old lad who I talked to about him following his dad into engineering cos its a ‘good future’.

this is brilliant its the same as people mistaking weather for climate, keep it up chaps its amusing me during my convalescence.

Just heard yesterday that my company has been selected to be part of an exhibition in the Science Museum which celebrates British manufacturing. I am so proud 🙂 Thought I’d post this as a balance to all the negativity. I am a realist and almost certainly biased but I think this country should be proud of its engineering excellence.

Make it in Great Britain

Edit: I should add that our company has grown approximately 50% since the start of the recession 🙂

arvensis/Robert peston…. my point is that there is some positivity out there, and a drive in some of our youth to do something constructive.

I’m not commenting on the wider economic climate, just giving an example of growth in one of the areas the OP implies is dying on its arse.

Going back to the OP – much fun as cross border slanging is – there was an interesting statistic behind the unemployment figures yesterday

The figures quoted on Channel 4 news last night, said the number of people who have lost full time jobs, but have only managed to find part time positions to replace them, is 1.4 million 😯

Now this is pure conjecture on my part, but I’d reckon a good proportion of those lost full time positions will be classed as ‘skilled’. And I’m also prepared to go out on a limb and suggest that the 1.4 million jobs they’ve been replaced with, aren’t

I’ve been out of work since last September after being made redundant. I was working in the service industry which was soul destroying anyway. It’s been tough watching my savings slowly disappear and having to consider mortgage breaks etc.

It’s taken a while but I was offered a job this week for a small, local company as a trainee designer/production operative. I have no educational background in design but the company director saw potential I guess and has given me a great opportunity.

I’m on a high at the moment, especially after having an awful and depressing 6 months of worry and stress.

This post isn’t really relevant specifically to the thread but opportunities are out there if you are willing to think out of the box, try something new. In real terms it is difficult but just keep plugging away.

we need a big war (WW3) to break things up a bit that’ll stimulate the economy. lots of infrastructure that’ll need replacing and rebuilding. It will also keep the population in check

Some technical / creative / knowledge sectors have staffing shortfalls, fact. Reporting that does mean the reporter is out of touch with the dire situation in other sectors.

There are a very few sectors with skills shortages [ I suspect it is because they don’t actually train their own staff anymore and just moan that we should pay for the training] but no one can actually suggest the current situation is anything other than dire overall. A few exemplars of good news cannot negate the fact the overall picture is very bad.

As for other areas it was obvious that we needed less Public Sector middle managers and bull s******s and more useful and productive people

Ah the CMD the private sector will rescue us all retort/act of faith [ going well so far would you say?] ..could you evidence this with respect to unemployment figures ? Have all the unemployed come from the public sector …a polemic view [ entitled to it if you wish] but it ignores the actual facts of the unemployment rate to make a political point.

If there is no work where you live and work in other places MOVE!!! Get off your arse and go.

Is your claim there is enough jobs and housing to go round and if we were all just a little bit more flexible we would have no unemployment?

Do I need to explain why this is complete and utter BS or it not self evidently the case ?
This may be a solution for a few people but it is clearly not a solution for all the millions of unemployed people.

Well firstly surely being on the long term dole is about as low as you’ll ever get, and secondly why can’t they see that a job – even a menial low paid job can be the first rung on the ladder to bigger and better things.

Really so you can start of working as a production operative for the minimum wage and really the world is your oyster. I cannot believe all the rich people waste their time sending their kids to Eton and to Oxbridge when this is the actual route to success. Perhaps you could tell us what percentage of people doing these jobs end up a “success” and what percentage end up doing that job for the rest of their lives. I am sure the percentage will help illuminate the truth of your polemic.:roll:

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‘m not commenting on the wider economic climate, just giving an example of growth in one of the areas the OP implies is dying on its arse.

Yes one example of one company does not prove growth and the debate is about the wider economy not one person or one company. No one thinks no one has got a job recently but the overall picture is dire by any economic indicator you choose to use

All this talk of doom and gloom, and loosing jobs…. yet half of STW splashed £3k on a bicycle.

well I apologise for sprinkling a tiny bit of positivity on to the thread. Naive? Nope.

Wow thats all a bit depressing…in my out of touch world i set up my own company almost a year ago and employ six people at a pretty good level of technical expertise, pay above average and where possible use local suppliers. All of our income comes from outside the UK so we net contribute. But of course its would have been much easier to stay at my old comfortable job and bitch about the state of the country…

Really so you can start of working as a production operative for the minimum wage and really the world is your oyster. I cannot believe all the rich people waste their time sending their kids to Eton and to Oxbridge when this is the actual route to success.

Much as I also like slagging off people that are richer than me out of pure spitefull jealousy. Oxbridge applications are looked at based on ability not money. Whether the kid had a better head start by going to Eaton first is a different matter. But there’s no money involved as ultimately they get the same money whether the undergard pays it or the government does.

I managed to get an offer and I went to a middle of the road comp (well it was a comp, but it wasn’t a bad one). And friends who actualy went got wayy more in bursaries/grants etc than people in other uni’s, so arguably Oxbridge are doing more for undergraduates from poorer backgrounds than the rest of the system.

Oxbridge has to offer places to poor people.

Not sure how they class someone as ‘poor’ though. My wife was offered a place at Cambridge, fully funded, as apparently she was from a poor area and the only one from her college to apply. Her folks live in a nice house, in a [relatively] posh area, and they have a reasonable income between them!

A certain percentage of places have to be offered to ‘normal’ comprehensive schools, in particular those from ‘poor’ areas.

Jobs in production control. At Nissan we’ve been short staffed since I started, going to be down one more once I leave in July 🙂

Oxbridge applications are looked at based on ability not money.

Really? I was under the impression it was based on power. Oxbridge seems to be a wash with money so that’s not going to be an overiding factor, connections and who you know is going to swing it more than ability surely? If someone comes from a background of heads of industry/political leaders are you really suggesting their application is assessed purely on ability when being compared to someone like you from a middle of the road comp?

I don’t know if I’m being cycnical or you’re being naive. Just interested as this was my default opinion!

I’m afraid the recession doesn’t appear to be coming to an end anytime soon, entrepreneurship is one of a few things that can prosper in this time. Anyone with a business idea, passion and drive should get started now!!

Oxbridge enteries are dominated by the wealthy, its a pretty daft thing to say its on ability. Its on exam succrss the two are vastly different.

There are thousands of highly paid, highly skilled jobs in the IT sector which are struggling to be filled. My workplace always struggle to get decent UNIX admins, they all seem to be employed at the banks or the big telcos 🙁