Question for the Photographers

No but people might give helpful suggestions based on their experience, rather than just being a smart-arse.

I did, I said let the camera work it out 🙂

you just press a button and clever electronic stuff does the rest?

dead easy – that's what I do 🙂

This thread is a fantastic insight into stw these days.:) I wonder what the response would have been if the OP had asked " Help, I'm trying to take some photos of my mates on their bikes in the woods but am having difficulty balancing the flash with the available light"

" Help, I'm trying to take some photos of my mates on their bikes in the woods but am having difficulty balancing the flash with the available light"

bin the flash it ruins pics 🙂

) I wonder what the response would have been if the OP had asked " Help, I'm trying to take some photos of my mates on their bikes in the woods but am having difficulty balancing the flash with the available light"

I can't see what extra info would have been given. Again, no=one knows the conditions of the shoot, the basics of exposure are still required, but at least the guy wouldn't be being put in a position where his results were potentially a one-off event with no way of going back and doing it again, so people would advise playing around with things.

And what if he added that he was going to try and sell some shots ?

i'm off to join talk photography to see what steel hardtail they recommend.

And what if he added that he was going to try and sell some shots ?

Ti29er might have exploded

i'm off to join talk photography to see what steel hardtail they recommend.

And if you ask in their off-topic forum, you might get a sensible answer. A bit like the OP was hoping for here, especially seeing as so many users on here appear knowledgeable on the subject. Just a pity the two that like to think they are see it as a threat, and become quite obnoxious with it…

i'm off to join talk photography to see what steel hardtail they recommend.

I've seen people asking for mtb recommendations on the off topic forum there (and getting lots of nice helpful answers), what's the problem?

problem? i can't decide between a stovepipe inbred and some overpriced tange tubed canadian imported frame with a nice headbadge.

i can't decide between a stovepipe inbred and some overpriced tange tubed canadian imported frame with a nice headbadge.

What do you think you are, a pro rider. Bikes like that are for the professionals. You'd be better off going to halfords. Only pros can ride bikes like that.

18mm 1/60 th second at f/4 ?

no i'm not a pro rider i just ride bikes for fun.

1sec f32 64asa.
(worked brilliantly for ansel adams and his famous moonrise picture so should be good for most other stuff)

1sec f32 64asa.
(worked brilliantly for ansel adams and his famous moonrise picture so should be good for most other stuff)

just remember he used an 8×10" plate camera…

don't worry i hadn't forgotten. (he guessed the exposure too)

simonfbarnes – Member
is 20mm a 'standard' focal length for 4/3rds cameras ?

why you silly mare, a strange question no?!?

no i'm not a pro rider i just ride bikes for fun.

In which case you wont be needing one of those new-fangled canadian jobbies, lest you tread on a pro's toes…

no i'm not a pro rider i just ride bikes for fun.

Neither are half the photogs on talk photog pros, but like here there'll be a few high-end riders. The world's a lovely mix of people, strange to pidgeonhole everything, but human instinct it seems.

In which case you wont be needing one of those new-fangled canadian jobbies, lest you tread on a pro's toes…

i don't think the pro's have anything to worry about there.

Neither are half the photogs on talk photog pros, but like here there'll be a few high-end riders. The world's a lovely mix of people, strange to pidgeonhole everything, but human instinct it seems.

you are so right. not everyone on here is a freeride expert pushing the brown envelope to it's maximum amplitude.

Glad we've pointed out the obvious then 😀

Good good. Just didn't want to see some amateur rider get ideas above their station and possibly impinge on a pro-rider's earnings. You see by getting a better bike, they may feel threatened…

why you silly mare, a strange question no?!?

no, I just wanted to know the answer…

I don't think ti29er was affronted at a threat to his income, it was just that the OP betrayed considerable ignorance, possibly exacerbated by hubris…

To use your italics Simon, that's exactly how he interpreted it…

I may have given the false impression I was going to tell you how to do my job.
I won't ask how to do your job, so why do you want to know (even the basics) of how to do my job?

In his usual knobbish manner.

it was just that the OP betrayed considerable ignorance,

Which, no doubt, is why he asked the question…

Is this thread still going on??
Have a look here for some tips.

Strange bunch photographers, I was talking to a guy a couple of years ago who had worked alongside Graham Watson. He told me that while Graham was a nice guy, you should never critisize his work as he (allegedly) goes crazy and simply can't deal with critisism.

I'd say most people are strange, not just photogs. Possibly part of the problem is the fact that due to nice cameras etc people generally see photographers as being dispensible and overkill for 95% of situations, and so not worth the cash. The photographers tend to see themselves as artists on some level and struggle to make a living because people think they can do it all with a compact, so the two views oppose. Bound to cause some friction. Much like if you were to tell a pro footballer that grass roots football is more interesting, they might get a bit tetchy.

But I am an artist you fool! :wink:.

I also think a lot of pro footballers should be worried when you consider the skill difference and the salary differences!!

Cream will always rise and I think that a creative photographer using manual mode will always outstrip the amateur using auto. The other aspect is a pro (in the world of cycling and other sports) photographer can get the photos that no-one else has access to. Nothing is easy, even for a pro, and you have to work hard.
What the public/your client think is acceptable and worth paying for is a different thing.

Strange bunch photographers, I was talking to a guy a couple of years ago who had worked alongside Graham Watson. He told me that while Graham was a nice guy, you should never critisize his work as he (allegedly) goes crazy and simply can't deal with critisism.

if it was albert watson i would understand the angst but a cycling photographer?

I don't think ti29er was affronted at a threat to his income, it was just that the OP betrayed considerable ignorance, possibly exacerbated by hubris…

The only hubris on display in this thread wasn't coming from the OP…

The words pot, kettle and black spring to mind.

I'm going to post one of my crappy amateur pics just for the sake of it, though I should really stop dicking around and hire a professional obviously.

As pointed out on a thread on TP where someone was whinging about the quality of work from a professional studio – professional is just an indicator of how someone makes their primary income, it's not a guarantee of quality.

The only hubris on display in this thread wasn't coming from the OP…

in that he insisted on using manual mode but apparently had no idea how to set the exposure…

No he didn't. His second post was a copy and paste of the glorious Ti29er, with answers to a few of his 'questions'…

zokes – Member

No he didn't. His second post was a copy and paste of the glorious Ti29er, with answers to a few of his 'questions'…

I thought I posted exactly the same message a couple of minutes ago!! Hey ho!

His second post was a copy and paste of the glorious Ti29er, with answers to a few of his 'questions'…

ah, I apologise – that wasn't obvious as there were no quote marks

grum – you photoshopped that sky in didn't you? Admit it.

I added a graduated brightness filter and a bit of saturation in Lightroom – it's the real sky though. Do you think it's overdone? Get a bit carried away in LR sometimes. 😆

Here's a photoshopped version though – spot the difference 😉

Better without the post, would be even better without the other one. Not too bright, not too dark, nice photo.

Thanks. How's this?

Sorry for the thread hijack 🙂

Thanks. How's this?

That's a bit drastic on the photoshopping – you've made it invisible…

Oops, thanks for pointing that out – should be ok now.

Yeah, that's better – the framing was a bit tight on the posts! I'd be tempted to burn the mast a little though at the top to counteract the darkening you did with the ND grad 'filter'…

This better?

Yup, much better. 🙂

I'd be careful though. Ti29er may go hungry and have his home repossessed if you carry on…