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pupils "held back" by overemphasis on arts
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Tom_W1987 – Member
Medical schools would like it if students spent more time on arts and crafts
They’d love it if students spent time on that. They just don’t want to see them doing it at school, let alone at A level. Frankly english university entry criteria are one of the chief things forcing students into narrow moulds. 3 A levels of which one must be maths and one must be the relevant science, and preferrably the 3rd also a science. It’s hard to find a uni that accepts critical thinking or general studies as counting for anything at all.
But then there’s chicken and egg here- when most of your applicants have 3 or 4 a levels you have to look for the specialists, they can’t afford to have dead wood or less relevant qualifications.
The scottish system makes it almost impossible for a higher/advanced higher student to be as specialised as an a level student. But inevitably, at the cost of them being less educated in their chosen field. Ironically a scottish applicant to an english uni will often find several of their highers simply ignored, once you’ve got your fistful of As and Bs any more are surplus to requirements
miketuallyFree MemberThose surgeons should add a “knowledge of pataphysics” to their entry requirements.
JunkyardFree MemberMedical schools would like it if students spent more time on arts and crafts as they are currently finding they are getting students who are good at memorizing facts but who are **** hopeless in the operating theater.
Painting helps to improve spatial intelligence.
It was unclear
Can I see a source for this claim ?
It seems odd that people who have input into the criteria required for a course would complain that it students lack x and y and then not ask for x and y
thanks
squirrelkingFree MemberWhat do you think Charles Darwin would have written in an impact statement on a grant application for the Beagle voyage if he had to do one today? “I will use this voyage to transform the entire way we think about our origins and our place in the universe”. He would be told to **** off, would he not?
*sigh*
Again showing wilful ignorance. I could list a lot of “blue sky” projects but I’ll use just one since it’s been nothing but unconventional from the get-go.
Perhaps not earth-shatteringly new technologies but still advancing. If you really want game changers, how about fusion? Close to becoming a commercial reality. Or nanotechnology, the possibilities there are endless and being refined all the time (the stuff that is actually feasible rather than the sci-fi nonsense).
All of these have had vast amounts of money thrown at them both public and private. So as for your question? Once again, bol…..
miketuallyFree MemberIf you really want game changers, how about fusion? Close to becoming a commercial reality. Or nanotechnology
Weird that scientists came up with these ideas, what with being so closed minded and uncreative and all.
Tom_W1987Free MemberClose to becoming a commercial reality.
Hah!
Ahaha.
ARRRRRRRRRHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHH!
Again showing wilful ignorance. I could list a lot of “blue sky” projects but I’ll use just one since it’s been nothing but unconventional from the get-go.
Can I see a source for this claim ?
It seems odd that people who have input into the criteria required for a course would complain that it students lack x and y and then not ask for x and y
thanks
Sorry Junkyard, I can’t find the link right now. It’s been annoying me for the past 30 minutes.
miketuallyFree MemberThe company who said, this year, that fusion would be a reality in five years, said it would be four years a year ago 🙂
Tom_W1987Free MemberHe admits that this seems a far cry from the clear, real-world applications of DNA fingerprinting. “This is absolutely unashamed blue skies research, which I love,” he says. “And I have never lost sight of that all through that monstrous inversion of my life – fun but monstrous – of charging off into the frenzied world and then coming back out of it again. In the background I’ve always kept this fundamental research going.”
While the research councils seem to be doing their best to keep blue skies research going, “I’m not sure the Government have full got that message”, he says. And he can’t stress enough how important the message is. From Fleming’s discovery of penicillin after a Petri dish was accidentally left next to a window, to Jeffreys’ own entirely unexpected discovery of DNA fingerprinting at five past nine on that September morning when at five to nine he hadn’t a single thought of DNA fingerprinting in his head, “unfettered, fundamental, curiosity-driven research is the ultimate engine of all scientific and technological evolution,” he says. “You lose that at your peril.”
He is critical of trying to set too many priorities and strategies in research because it tends to direct research to “known unknowns” — establishing and solving the obvious problems. While he acknowledges that this is important, so is solving problems you didn’t even know existed. And these are the kinds of problems far less likely to be solved by industry.
Focusing on known unknowns has become increasingly tempting for science anyway because it has become so specialised, argues Jeffreys. Gone is the Victorian gentleman scientist who was an expert botanist, paleantologist, geologist, physician, mathematician. Instead, biology, like particle physics before it, is evolving towards larger and larger teams of scientists, each specialising in a particular aspect of any experiment. The average number of authors on a paper has ballooned to film credit lengths, he says. “What they are doing is delivering research which is to some extent predictable because otherwise you would never set up this gigantic organisation in the first place.”
Typical of the new science is the Human Genome Project, which, he argues, while clearly being very valuable is “basically factory science”. “I’m saying you have to have a mixed economy. You don’t put all your eggs into this great common basket that will deliver answers to questions that you can define because the far more exciting thing is that it delivers questions that you never knew existed, and that to me is infinitely more valuable because that sets the future agenda.”
miketuallyFree MemberAre any scientists against blue sky research? (Even if they hate the management consultant phrase.)
JunkyardFree MemberI can’t find the link right now. It’s been annoying me for the past 30 minutes
No probs cheers for looking
squirrelkingFree MemberTom, what exactly was so funny in my post? Care to share your learned reasoning on why you would infer that I was hilariously wrong?
Garry_LagerFull MemberIf you’re interested in creativity it’s worth reading around the obituraries for Alexander Grothendieck that are now appearing – He died last Thursday. Here’s one from the telegraph.
He was one of the greatest and most influential mathematicians of the 20th century, who turned his back on the scientific establishment and went to live in the woods at a time when his reputation was at its highest. His work will be inaccessible to most of us, but there are quotes that give insight into the sort of intellectual fearlessness that enabled him to dent the mathematical universe – his rising sea approach to theory building.
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