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  • Prince Andrew, what a cowardly little ****.
  • Watty
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    although how far it’s going to get them is debatable

    Nowhere apparently. Met says NO!

    nickc
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    There. Are. Tapes.

    Thanks, I cannot now unknow this…

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    doris5000
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    There. Are. Tapes.

    That’s not what I take from the article?

    Sarah Ransome, who says she was a victim of Epstein, wrote in emails to a reporter in 2016 outlining claims the Duke of York, the ex-US president and the billionaire businessman were filmed having sex

    A New Yorker article in 2019 reported Ms Ransome admitted “she had invented the tapes to draw attention to Epstein’s behaviour, and to make him believe that she had ‘evidence that would come out if he harmed me'”.

    scotroutes
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    the Duke of York, the ex-US president and the billionaire businessman were filmed having sex

    That’s quite the threesome.

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    MoreCashThanDash
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    the Duke of York, the ex-US president and the billionaire businessman were filmed having sex

    Could they not just walk into a bar, like a normal joke?

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    db
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    A New Yorker article in 2019 reported Ms Ransome admitted “she had invented the tapes to draw attention to Epstein’s behaviour, and to make him believe that she had ‘evidence that would come out if he harmed me’”.

    For that threat to work Epstein would need to know there were tapes? If he knew there were no tapes surely he would have just had her killed off?

    MoreCashThanDash
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    For that threat to work Epstein would need to know there were tapes? If he knew there were no tapes surely he would have just had her killed off?

    Someone got to him before he got to her. Allegedly.

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    stevie750
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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd75vwdg3yvo

    I am hoping for another interview “nah he’s just a mate , totally not a spy”
    I wonder if the spy has any tapes?

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    MrSparkle
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    Between him and **** Boris we’ll have no **** secrets left…

    CountZero
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    After seeing the news about Andrew and China, I tried finding a photo of Charles doing a facepalm, but couldn’t find one anywhere, sadly.

    Got this one, though…

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    FB-ATB
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    Heard an interview with an ex MI5 bod last night, he commented “…Andrew wouldn’t have much intelligence…”

    sounds about right!

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    chrismac
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    Presumably as the brother of the monarch the security services keep an eye on who he develops friendships with?  I also am struggling to understand what secrets he would know that could be used. Why would he need to be told any secrets in the first place? I can’t come up with a reason the monarch needs to know any secrets let alone good brother

    Still given that is brother is happy taking brown bags of cash and his mum would cosy up to any despot who was into racing horses it’s no wonder he is what he is

    scuttler
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    Guy must be a nightmare to manage. Entitled prick, poor judgement, now skint. Outside of the aristocracy he’d be nobody now but his status maintains his entitlement. Not even his big brother can sort him out…

    jimster01
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    I’ve been wandering for a while if the “firm ” could get shot of him like an embarrassing in-law….

    greyspoke
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    Is he a kind of lightning conductor?  Has no power or access to any important information or people (just spongers like himself), yet agents of hostile powers waste their time on him.

    chrismac
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    yet agents of hostile powers waste their time on him.

    clearly they think he is worth the effort. This makes me wonder why and what would he know to be worth the effort and why would he need to know it

    kimbers
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    where they blackmailing him?

    we know he lies young women….

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    davosaurusrex
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    With an arrogant simpleton like Andy it’s not about knowing secrets, it’s about contacts and influence.

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    poly
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     I also am struggling to understand what secrets he would know that could be used.

    Well he used to be a trade envoy, which I think involved various arms deals etc.  He certainly had influence and the ability to make introductions, and perhaps any introduction he made would be trusted more than ordinary foreign parties.  All people with dodgy histories they don’t want out in public are liable to be manipulated (explicitly with blackmail, or more subtlely by those in an inner sanctum who seem to be helpful) – Andrew apparently brought the spy to the palace without following the official protocols.  That might be as much MI5 signalling to Andy that he’s not trusted to pick his friends as much as signalling to the Chinese that we know who you are.

    Why would he need to be told any secrets in the first place?

    presumably even if nothing else – he is aware of various royal movements and security arrangements, is likely (when he was a working royal) to have known when the PM was likely to be somewhere and also other visiting foreign heads of states.

    I can’t come up with a reason the monarch needs to know any secrets let alone good brother

    You don’t think Charles and Keir have discussed Syria, South Korea, Israel, Russia, or possibly Chinese involvement in damage to undersea cables in the Baltic?  IF we were considering an escalation, or indeed a softening of our position you don’t think Charles would know before the BBC?  That’s just the military type stuff.  Plenty of environmental, industrial type issues that might be of interest to the King and also to random other parties.

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    tjagain
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    The royal family also have access to all legislation while it is going thru parliament and the chance ti change it.

    fenderextender
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    It’s pretty difficult not to categorise Randy Andy as a security risk now, surely?

    But, I’m sure they’ll find a way not to. Publicly, at least.

    Get rid of the lot of them – arcane, pompous nonsense that is increasingly embarrassing to the UK.

    greyspoke
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    The royal family also have access to all legislation while it is going thru parliament and the chance ti change it.

    That is public information.

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    MoreCashThanDash
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    Andy really is last decades problem.  There are far more current issues to be sweating* about.

    * or not

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    tjagain
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    Not just public information greyspoke.  they get to see draft bills and treaties and have the right to change them and they use this right

    MoreCashThanDash
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    and have the right to change them and they use this right

    Makes you think

    nickc
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    Guy must be a nightmare to manage. Entitled prick, poor judgement, now skint.

    This really. Plus of course he probably has the personal contact details of all sorts of folks, I would’ve thought any foreign govt would be pleased to have. What an eejit

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    dyna-ti
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    If this is an issue, and it probably isn’t, then this would be a good time to further examine the Tory and B.Johnson links to the Lebedevs.

    I would expect more Chinese business leaders to have links to the ruling party, just as many business leaders in the UK have links to our political parties.

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    greyspoke
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    I believe the right is to make their views known to the minister, I don’t think they can force any changes they want.  Though it appears their views are generally taken into account.

    CountZero
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    I believe the right is to make their views known to the minister, I don’t think they can force any changes they want.  Though it appears their views are generally taken into account.

    But not necessarily acted upon. I would imagine that most things that Andy had knowledge of were relatively old or not especially important, plus I’d expect that Andy and the monarch would be ‘air-gapped’, specifically to avoid the sort of person he was known to frolic with getting even the slightest hint of anything of consequence.
    I think it was Andy’s list of contacts and people he could put others in contact with were of greatest interest to other nations like China.

    dyna-ti
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    I would expect more Chinese business leaders to have links to the ruling party, just as many business leaders in the UK have links to our political parties.

    To go further.

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    Is there now a risk that any UK businessmen, who have links to any of our political parties, are now at risk of being arrested in China, under the same ‘spying’ pretext ?

    China using this case as an excuse for political gain.

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    poly
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    Is there now a risk that any UK businessmen, who have links to any of our political parties, are now at risk of being arrested in China, under the same ‘spying’ pretext ?

    possibly, but since those relationships work the other way round here it’s entirely at the British businesssperson’s discretion not to have strong links to politicians to reduce their conflicts.

    nickc
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    Is there now a risk that any UK businessmen, who have links to any of our political parties, are now at risk of being arrested in China, under the same ‘spying’ pretext ?

    I think that’s probably been the case for some time, not just because of this recent revelation. It’s how authoritarian regimes generally behave; they act with impunity against whoever they want for often obscure (and politically internal) reasons that they create.

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    timba
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    I’ve been wandering for a while if the “firm ” could get shot of him like an embarrassing in-law….

    Shirley they only need to tell the royal household that he’s to be treated like any visiting member of public, which is effectively what he is. Sign-in. No guests. Escorted. No mobile phones, etc.

    Then offer him the post of Duke of Adelaide, with a house (and forget to mention the Island suffix) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelaide_Island

    dissonance
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    I think that’s probably been the case for some time, not just because of this recent revelation

    A couple of Canadians were arrested for “spying” back in 2018 after the Canadian government arrested Meng Wanzhou who is (maybe was) a Huawei senior exec. They got released when she did.

    So very definite threat if it suits Chinese interests.

    dyna-ti
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    I’ve been wondering for a while if the “firm ” could get shot of him

    You mean like Webley MK Vl and a bottle of Whisky ?

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    stevie750
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    You mean like Webley MK Vl and a bottle of Whisky ?

    Probably more likely to be a fiat uno

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    johnnystorm
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    Apologies if this has been pointed out earlier in the thread but it’s very telling that being an alleged sex pest seems to be OK with the HoW but knowing an alleged Spy is what gets you banned from the Sandringham Christmas service…

    bikesandboots
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    Just what do we think went wrong with Andrew, compared to his siblings? Seems to never miss an opportunity to be a massive idiot.

    I thought with his position in the royal family he would have had some kind of assistant, perhaps what was more needed was a minder or babysitter to keep him out of trouble.

    MoreCashThanDash
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    Just what do we think went wrong with Andrew, compared to his siblings? Seems to never miss an opportunity to be a massive idiot.

    Most families have one like that. Money and a sense of entitlement just make it easier to go big.

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