Pick the bones out of this

stereotypers knock yourselves out

Is it me or do some of these academic types just say this stuff to shock or to gain publicity?

He might say it because based on his experience he feels that it’s ‘true’

Did you actually manage to get past the headline?

…the head of the Jamaican Teachers’ Association has said.

Adolph Cameron said that in Jamaica, where homophobia was a big issue, school success was often seen as feminine or “gay”.

Adolph Cameron

This can’t be real?

Mistype. He meant “Dave Hitler”

Did you actually manage to get past the headline?

Yep I also read the bit that said

“Boys are more interested in hustling, which is a quick way of making a living, rather than making the commitment to study. This is a supposed to be a street thing which is a male thing.

…. which basically reinforces negative and racist stereotypes of young black males. How about you? First couple of paragraphs or better?

Are Jamaican or live in Jamaica?

I don’t agree it reinforces stereotypes although people could use it to do this.

IMo one identifies an issue – black boys underachievement at school. Then you look for reasons why – in this case the issues as above. Then you look for ways to counter this.

Unless you understand why something happens you cannot stop it.

I don’t know if the analysis is correct but it seems a reasonable way to go about attempting to improve things

have you considered that this may actually be true and Dave Hilter[Top work TSY /Stoner]may just know more than you on this issue?
He is also talking about Jamaica are you an expert on this?
What is your expertise in being an afro caribbean male or of education or of education this group in particular or this country?

I would not be surprised if here in England the same or similar things occur in terms of how they feel about themselves and how they respond to and with respect to the society around them.

“Boys are more interested in hustling, which is a quick way of making a living, rather than making the commitment to study. This is a supposed to be a street thing which is a male thing.

“The influence of this attitude towards masculinity seems to be having a tremendous impact on how well African-Caribbean and Jamaican males do.

“There’s a fear of being categorised as gay in a society where homophobia is so strong.”

Mr Cameron said the issue needed further investigation but there was a growing realisation among teachers in Jamaica that they needed to tackle it in schools.
imagine having a view and investigating it this is not the STW way.

…. which basically reinforces negative and racist stereotypes of young black males.

maybe it’s just pointing out a few facts, supported by academic study and statistical analysis.

Does anyone else remember the ‘Dudus’ Coke fiasco?

basically reinforces negative and racist stereotypes of young black males.

Yep, Adolph certainly looks like a white supremacist to me:

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The paper which some of the headlines are drawn from is from 1996.
Gayle (2002) states one of the reasons for this in Jamaica is that having the school qualifications, and proof of them, does not guarantee you a job, and there were very few examples (of people interviewed) of attaining a job because they passed at school. It is more realistic to learn a trade. This trade being, sometimes, hustling.

Not sure that it’s THAT much different over here for some of the population.

The masculinity thing seems to come from this – the most important thing a male can do is provide for his family. Why would they study if there’s no money to be made from studying?

I’ll see your:-

He is also talking about Jamaica are you an expert on this

and raise you a:-

He went on to suggest the same cultural attitudes affected the learning of African-Caribbean boys in England.
He continued: “I would not be surprised if here in England the same or similar things occur in terms of how they feel about themselves and how they respond to and with respect to the society around them

…..and his credentials as an expert on Afro Carribean males in the British educational system are ….?

Yep, Adolph certainly looks like a white supremacist to me:

Which is specifically not what I said

Ahh that’s what I love about this stuff.

Even the black (presumably African-Caribbean) head of the Jamaican Teachers’ Association can’t comment on possible reasons for a statistically observable fact without people suggesting he is a racist (or at least reinforcing “negative and racist stereotypes of young black males”).

FWIW I don’t think the “It’s cool to be thick” culture is limited to young black males, though the underlying reasons for it may be different across different social groups.

He was concerned the same cultural attitude was affecting African-Caribbean male students in the UK.

They are one of England’s worst-performing ethnic groups in schools.

Only traveller children do worse at GCSEs. Although improvements have been made, last year just 40% of African-Caribbean boys achieved five good GCSEs including English and maths compared with the national average of 58.5%.

Mr Cameron, head of the Jamaica Teachers’ Association, made the comments in a lecture at an event in Bristol aimed at promoting the educational achievement of black boys and sponsored by the National Union of Teachers.
What was you talk on this year?

Is this a statistically observable fact across all of Jamicia and the UK ?

“Boys are more interested in hustling, which is a quick way of making a living, rather than making the commitment to study. This is a supposed to be a street thing which is a male thing.

Is this a statistically observable fact across all of Jamicia and the UK ?

No, that would come under the “comment on possible reasons for a” clause of my sentence.

I’m with TJ – common sense.

Did you actually manage to get past the headline?

I am going to say no.

I went to a school in Brent; one of the most culturally diverse places in the country. I was the only white kid in my class, with the rest of the kids being mainly Indian & then black.

There was definitely a mood amongst the black kids that academic study was uncool & most would spend more time disrupting the classes for everyone else.
One day, our German teacher was ill so we had a cover teacher called Mr Ntege; a Nigerian bloke. He told us to get on with the work we had been set & most people got on with it. There were a group of black kids messing around despite several requests from the teacher.
Next thing the teacher went nuts…slammed a book one the desk & started laying into the kids messing around, saying it was the same in every class he taught; that the only kids to mess around consistently were the black kids and that they would be the ones in 10 years moaning that they never had opportunities while in the queue for their dole cheque, while the kids who had worked held down successful jobs.
He made frequent references to their lives going down the gutter before exclaiming that unlike normally, they can’t cry racism as he was a black man himself and was merely telling the truth.

Aside from sending the disruptive kids out of a lesson, it was the only time I can remember them completely speechless & actually see them back down & do some work…

I went to a school in Brent; one of the most culturally diverse places in the country. I was the only white kid in my class, with the rest of the kids being mainly Indian & then black.

That doesn’t sound very diverse, was the diversity in the cutural origins of the black and indian kids?