Osbourne says no to currency union.

aracer – Member

I suggest you try putting “Scotland” as country of birth when going through Australian immigration

I checked in with my brother, he’s done it twice, no bother. He’s incredibly white so they welcomed him with open arms. As far as he can remember, same was true of Canada, the USA and Cuba (though that last one raised some eyebrows when he went back to the states), new zealand, samoa, thailand, china, russia, malaysia and singapore. And probably some others, I can’t keep up.

I’ve been to Australia 4 times – Scotland is always the country of birth that I put down. No problems ever. Same with every other country in the world that has had such a requirement. Never had to give anyone a geography lesson yet.

They must just be racist against the English then. England got crossed out when I put that.

aracer – Member

They must just be racist against the English

If there’s one thing you can say with confidence about australians, it’s that they’re not just racist against the English.

Since I dont know your circumstances or Binners or Junkyards I cant say.

I’m a left-leaning voter living in Wales, and binners and Junkyard are similar in Northern England.

Are their affairs in their own hands whilst there’s a Tory government?

They must just be racist against the English then.

To be fair, there are a lot of folk around the world who don’t like the English. Just like there are a lot of folk around the world who don’t like Americans and Australians. In my experience, people abroad change their attitude towards me significantly when I tell them that I’m Scottish and not English and it’s never been a negative change. Personally I dont know why this is and I like a lot of people in England.

Spanish foreign minister confirms iS out of EU for at least 5 years etc etc

SNP rep says he’s bluffing

Who is your money on?

I hope Ewan Morrison’s wrong… whether the vote goes yes or no it suggests there won’t be a healthy atmosphere afterwards –

I would say that since the outcome of most UK general elections is determined in England then Yes the people of england have control over their own affairs. No individual can expect to always have the government they choose but a nation or a country should always have the government it elected by whatever democratic system is in place in that country.

Source as nothing via Google

I would say tha Binners and I have to accept that we will lose as many elections as we win [ though we probably consider Nu Labour as losing 2- 0 rather than 8-0 defeat with the Tories] . However it is a nation and you can take that to some degree.

I would like to think it will lead to less centralisation/more federalism in england but who knows

I would say that since the outcome of most UK general elections is determined in England then Yes the people of england have control over their own affairs

You’re giving far too much importance to these arbitrary lines. I do not like the arbitrary lines one bit.

I would say that since the outcome of most UK general elections is determined in England then Yes the people of england have control over their own affairs. No individual can expect to always have the government they choose but a nation or a country should always have the government it elected by whatever democratic system is in place in that country.

I posted the stats up above. People in England actually gets the government they voted for less than people in Scotland (ie if you multiply population by the number of times they didn’t get the government they voted for, the figure for England is higher than for Scotland).

The nation of the UK gets the government it elects, the country of Sctoland gets the government it elects in its devolved parliament everybody (except the English) should be happy 😉

People in England actually gets the government they voted for less than people in Scotland (ie if you multiply population by the number of times they didn’t get the government they voted for, the figure for England is higher than for Scotland)

You just proved there are 11 x more people in england than scotland

Well done

aracer – Member
…The nation of the UK gets the government it elects…

Not as long as there is a House of Lords.

Junkyard – lazarus
big_n_daft said » Spanish foreign minister confirms iS out of EU for at least 5 years etc etc

Source as nothing via Google

Just had a Spanish government minister on Newsnight who went through all the ‘hoops’ needed to join – said he reckoned 5 years. Said Junckers had said 5 years for a new member.
SNP chap disputed the process as Scotland could negotiate under a different ‘article’ as they would be negotiating from within.

Why would you want to multiply population by the number of times they didnt get the government they voted for ? Is it really 11 x less democratic when England doesnt get the government England voted for than it is when Scotland doesnt get the government it voted for.Or 18 x worse than Wales voting Labour and getting Tory etc.

Go on the iplayer in 20 mins, or check out the latest tweets from the Newsnight team

The Scottish UKIP MEP will be ecstatic

Nothing to do with English Nationalists seeing their milch cow disappearing is it?

you are completely deluuuuuuuuuuusional if you think Scotland is England’s “milch cow”. At best it has been no poorer than many other parts of the UK; at worst it has been a drag on the UK’s economic development. The idea that Scotland is some sort of Congo-style colony being squeezed until the pips squeak by some English Leopold is just so far detached from reality that you should probably have a sit down.

konabunny – Member
….The idea that Scotland is some sort of Congo-style colony being squeezed until the pips squeak by some English Leopold is just so far detached from reality that you should probably have a sit down.

I’m in good company, and around 2 million of them will be voting accordingly.

“A country is acountry if the people living there think it is.”
I suggest you try putting “Scotland” as country of birth when going through Australian immigration and see whether they agree with you (I’m sure that also applies in other places)

I have been doing that for 40 years.

why do people just lie and make stuff up because they think it makes them look good?

the Australian landing card doesn’t even ask for country of birth. it asks for “nationality as shown on passport”.
http://www.immi.gov.au/managing-australias-borders/border-security/travel/passenger-cards/_pdf/english-ipc-sample.pdf

konabunny – Member
“I have been doing that for 40 years.”
why do people just lie and make stuff up because they think it makes them look good?
the Australian landing card doesn’t even ask for country of birth. it asks for “nationality as shown on passport”.

So what? I think they changed it to that wording in the 90s.

I still put Scottish and have no problems. Every Scot I know does the same. And that’s on any form, not just that one.

It also says “country of residence” clearly I didn’t quite remember the form accurately. Though I do distinctly remember putting “British” in one box and “England” in another and having the immigration official cross out England.

So what? I think they changed it to that wording in the 90s.
I still put Scottish and have no problems. Every Scot I know does the same. And that’s on any form, not just that one.

1) you’re lying about your story of filling in immigration forms with answers to questions that aren’t even asked. don’t try to pretend you remember every field of every form you’ve filled in. it’s just nonsense. 😆

2) you’d be plain wrong and pigheaded to fill in “Scottish” in response to a question of “nationality as listed in passport” because Scotland is not a state, there is no Scottish citizenship and no Scottish passports 😆

3) you’re lying when you say every Scot you know does the same as you. not even the most pigheaded pub bore nationalist goes around asking every Scot they know what they write on Australian landing cards ffs 😆

When you’re in a lie hole and you’ve been shown to be a fantasist – put down the spade and walk away! 😆

2) you’d be plain wrong and pigheaded

So, Scottish then……

I still put Scottish and have no problems. Every Scot I know does the same. And that’s on any form, not just that one.

I can see it now, Epic filling out a “how was your stay form” in a hotel whilst on holiday. And just scrawling in massive letters.

SCOTTISH

Ahhhh, good bit of prejudice with my morning coffee. No finer way to start the day.

In other news, has anything actually happened over the last 24hrs other than the increasingly shrill shouts of both camps reiterating what makes their positions look best, but largely regardless of the factual accuracy?

try writing scottish again and this fella wants a word

and he will be sending you home

I still put Scottish and have no problems. Every Scot I know does the same. And that’s on any form, not just that one.

I see a whole army of my countrymen in defiance of tyranny. You have come before passport control in Australia as free men, and free men you are.

I see there’s been a symbolic devo-max agreement signing. Is this the same agreement as was signed last week? The No campaign appear increasingly desperate.

The No campaign appear increasingly desperate

Well with only 99% of opinion polls during the referendum campaign showing support for the No vote, Scots who support the union must be getting worried. I certainly would be.

The offending article

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron-ed-miliband-nick-4265992

They wouldn’t lie to us, surely.

….The idea that Scotland is some sort of Congo-style colony being squeezed until the pips squeak by some English Leopold is just so far detached from reality that you should probably have a sit down.

I’m in good company, and around 2 million of them will be voting accordingly.

If 2million Scots think the way you do epicyclo, independence will not go well. Will our children be raised with such a warped sense of reality as you?

This latest ‘agreement’ encapsulates the issue. We (the Westminster parties) have decided between ourselves and without consulting you what limited responsibilities – but not necessarily the funding – we shall grant you when, as we expect, you vote No.

The patronising arrogant cheek of them!

The patronising arrogant cheek of them!

You mean Scottish politicians such as Gordon Brown who represents Scots with a huge majority and who has been arguing for greater devolved powers ?

The patronising arrogant cheek of them!

Or perhaps AS refuses to discuss anything other than a complete YES!!!
Of course you may interpret things whichever way you want.

konabunny – Member
1) you’re lying about your story of filling in immigration forms with answers to questions that aren’t even asked. don’t try to pretend you remember every field of every form you’ve filled in…

I’m not lying. I don’t have to remember because it is what I do on any form that asks for nationality. I have done it all my life.

As for

3) you’re lying when you say every Scot you know does the same as you. not even the most pigheaded pub bore nationalist goes around asking every Scot…

I assume you don’t know many Scots who support independence then.

I don’t really care if you believe me, but piemonster explains it all for you

So, Scottish then……

Anyhow, we’re on to max STW troll mode now cpmplete with personal insults, so ’nuff said.

It was meant as a friendly Troll

FWIW

It was meant as a friendly Troll

@piemonster it just shows the lie to the fact this is a friendly campaign, it doesn’t take much for people to go off on one.

Newsnight last night we had the SNP on, you have to hand it to them for pigheaded stubbornness on two issues, EU and the pound. (@JY you aksed a prior poster about his source, well the guy was interviewed on TV and thats what he said backing up comments earlier in the day from Junker)

In the face of a number of senior EU officials making it clear a Scottish application for EU membership would be on a 5 year timetable, that they would have to take the euro sooner or later and a very thinly veiled swerve on the question of whether Spain would block the Scots application we have the Scot who intends to represent a country of 5m people telling the EU how its going to be, an orderly transition with no new membership application.

On the currency the SNP seems to be trying to make something of Darling’s comment that “Scotland could use the pound”, in terms of it being a fully exchangeable international currency yes Scotland can but with no control of interest rates or monetary policy that would be even worse than the fudge that is the euro. Given it’s reliance on future oil revenues Scotland might actually be better served using the USD.

Why is there is stupid idea going around that SNP politicians are any less pig headed and more more capable of telling the truth that any other politician in the world ? I think its a brilliant idea that a few million people have that much faith in ‘their’ local politician they are voting for what ever counts for independence these days…
Good luck 😉 You’ll need it…