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Keir Starmer must be favourite?

I’d have to agree with that. I reckon it’ll be Thornberry though.

David Millibad.

I want Lammy

I think Labour could do with a new Leadership, not just JC.

Create a whole new prospect for the lost traditional voters.

What are the implications of any boundary changes on what labour need to achieve to get into government?

No chance.
There was a fella on the TV saying they have to keep the faith in the direction they’re going and just be clearer on Brexit.
It’ll be anther left winger. And they’ll once again get smashed out in the last election.

The reanimated corpse of Jimmy Saville will probably end up being the leader.

Last night Labour lost by a landslide to a Tory leader with a negative approval rating who was leading a government that has endured nine long years of lurching from one embarrassing crisis to another. In the last election Labour lost to an equally unpopular leader.

Any other Labour leadership since (and including) Kinnock would have won landslides in 2017 and last night.

The one thing that could have come out of last night’s result was Momentum could have held up their hands and quit to save the Labour party. They didn’t, they’re staying.

So the next leader will be Long-Bailey or Raynor and there will be no substantial policy change.

Momentum have failed to score against an open goal twice. Time to hand the party back to grown-ups.

EDIT: Damn it, lunge said it better than me and in a couple of lines. 🙁

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That’s why we’re in this mess

What are the implications of any boundary changes on what labour need to achieve to get into government?

Think it is widely accepted that the changes are detrimental to Labour and Scotland so you can be sure that Boris will get them done as they are oven ready

Binners?

Momentum have failed to score against an open goal twice. Time to hand the party back to grown-ups.

I do hope they can do just that. The image problem with the Labour party has been quite obvious to most people. They did have an open goal, they ran a pretty good campaign I thought, they had the backing of a number of Tories, and yet still… They’ve already overstayed their welcome.

Keir Starmer must be favourite

He’s put down some sterling performances in the HoC, but what’s he like with the general public?

Labour really need to think long and hard about this one. They’ve had 3 crap leaders in succession now.

Labour were smashed in their traditional, Leave-voting heartlands. Any new leader will have to find a way of re-connecting with that base or they will be in permanent opposition. I don’t think the answer lies in electing a metropolitan remainer.

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My 2p, they’ve got 2 choices.

1) Carry on with the Democratic Socialist mantra with a new face. Corbyn has already sold 1 lost election as a win and in the face of an absolute hammering last night as “we’ve changed the face of British Politics” They’ll appoint John McDonnell, Diane Abbott or maybe Rebecca Long-Bailey – staunch Socalists with the usual ‘with us or against’ attitude. They’ll spend the next 5 years (or at least until Boris **** it all up) only engaging with people like them and hoping and praying that another 10 million card carrying Socialists will be created and lose again.

2) Regroup and change direction with a Social Democratic Leader and Policies with someone like Keir Starmer or Yvette Cooper. IMO with the Tories lurching to the right, they shouldn’t lurch to the left.

Personally I think the latter is far more electable, and history backs that up, but the Labour Party are now full of ideologists who’d rather lose, keep their principles and change nothing, than be accepting of other peoples views and change things for the better.

As I keep saying, they first need a leader that is popular with the public (personality wise). Then that leader needs a good slogan for next election.

It will be very different in 5 years though as “get brexit done” will clearly not be a factor and people will have realised than getting brexit done has made **** all difference to their lives after all. Need to get to one key point that majority will back.

be clearer on Brexit.

Why? Brexit’s finished. It can’t be stopped now. Boris’ deal will pass parliament and we leave next month.

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I don’t think the answer lies in electing a metropolitan remainer.

There are no remainers anymore, it’s done.

You’re really looking at what type of post EU leader will be able to win.

2) Regroup and change direction with a Social Democratic Leader and Policies with someone like Keir Starmer or Yvette Cooper. IMO with the Tories lurching to the right, they shouldn’t lurch to the left.

Centrist remainers? I know it’s a popular view that this should be Labour’s direction, but surely the dismal performance of the Liberal Democrats – offering precisely that political position – should give some pause for thought.

Well if the Centrists are right about personality being the issue – if we elect an ‘agreeable’ leader then with Brexit being on it’s way Labour should romp home…

Keep (tweak) the policies but change the leader.

There are no remainers anymore, it’s done.

You’re really looking at what type of post EU leader will be able to win.

Agreed, it’s over, we lost. As far as Brexit goes now, with the numbers he’s got we might as well appease Boris so he doesn’t change his mind and crash us out for shits and giggles.

Moverover, we’ll be out, out by the next election. Unless things get very bad, only the most staunch remainers will want to hear about going back in.

As the tories turn the screw and the disenfranchised realise what a colossal act of idiocy it was to put in power a populist far right party, IMO the electrate will come to labour, they don’t need to change much at all, just lose a couple of the policies that overreached what could be done within 1 parliament and allowed the right wing press to create scare stories.

They need to sell themselves better and actually get on the attack a bit more instead of just taking a beating with a whimper. A bit more passion in exposing what and who the tories have become.

There are no remainers anymore, it’s done.

Only if you’ve drunk the Tory kool-aid. In reality we have a decade or more of negotiations with the EU, with the future relationship to be shaped by the political views of the government.

Boris knows the value of the purse and he will pump some money into the economy. (particularly leave areas.)

Result – even more favourability.

I do find it disgusting that many of the key people (activists) who are trying to improve the lives of many are being torn apart now.

I really hate that bit.

I mean how can anyone gloat that the direction of the country has somehow won the moral victory?

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No thanks. If she’s on the form it won’t get my tick.

2) Regroup and change direction with a Social Democratic Leader and Policies with someone like Keir Starmer or Yvette Cooper. IMO with the Tories lurching to the right, they shouldn’t lurch to the left.

Centrist remainers? I know it’s a popular view that this should be Labour’s direction, but surely the dismal performance of the Liberal Democrats – offering precisely that political position – should give some pause for thought.

Honestly, forget about Brexit now, it’s done.

The next election will be about social justice and economics.

Honestly, forget about Brexit now, it’s done.

The next election will be about social justice and economics.

Leaving the EU is certainly done but that’s purely symbolic. Social justice and economics will be very heavily influenced by our future relationship with Europe.

Only if you’ve drunk the Tory kool-aid. In reality we have a decade or more of negotiations with the EU, with the future relationship to be shaped by the political views of the government.

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That’s still a post EU scenario. Remain is off the cards.

Momentum have ****ed Labour, and will continue to do so. The changes to the way the party elects leaders (introduced, ironically, by the now-centrist-looking Ed Milliband) mean we’ll never see Keir Starmer heading them up. Which is actually for the best as others have pointed out – his pro-EU stance is even more of a liability now than it was yesterday.

Welcome to a one-party state.

As I keep saying, they first need a leader that is popular with the public (personality wise).

Frank Skinner? Peter Kaye?

I jest, but actually, someone quick witted, northern(ish) and intelligent like a bright lefty comedian would certainly be better than what we’ve had recently. It needs to be somebody with a likeable and engaging personality with decent humanitarian politics and not too many skeletons in the closet to combat the cult of the cuddly imbecile.

That’s still a post EU scenario. Remain is off the cards.

As I said in the post preceding yours…

Here’s a question for the hive mind: it’s a matter of record that Boris Johnson is a liar and that the Conservative campaign materials were substantially inaccurate and/ or untruthful. Their handsome victory showed that this didn’t matter very much to the electorate.

How does a future Labour leader combat this without doing the same?

IMO with the Tories lurching to the right, they shouldn’t lurch to the left.

The Torys *aren’t* lurching to the right, quite the opposite. They’ve been blatently chasing the votes Labour walked away from. That means being “one-nation” and taking the Centre/Centre left ground. They’ve already been doing this (May was too) because they were openly targetting the red wall and it worked. Now the ERG have been neutered by this majority Boris will find it even easier to move leftwards into ground that was historically Labour’s.

Centrist remainers? I know it’s a popular view that this should be Labour’s direction, but surely the dismal performance of the Liberal Democrats – offering precisely that political position – should give some pause for thought.

So chasing votes on the left lead to a Tory landslide & you don’t think there are any votes in the middle. So you think Labour should just run a party without getting many votes. You’re in luck because that is *literally* the decision Momentum/Seumas made last night. The plan to tweak the leader & leave everything else the same was agreed before the count ended. Third time lucky, next time it’ll all be different.

You need a master politician willing to compromise in principles, anyone else will be destroyed by a well funded and coordinated Tory propaganda campaign.

The other option is an extremely long term grass routes turnaround breaking the link between main stream media and the electorates decision making.

So labour lose in pretty much every northern heartland leave voting seat and the solution is to put in place a London based lawyer,who architected the very policy which lost those seats and is a passionate, committed remainer? Are you all mental?

It has to be woman. It has to be a leave sympathiser, and it has to be someone who connects with the working class.

How does a future Labour leader combat this without doing the same?

Corbyn said it himself in one of the debates. In normal times the electorate punish politicians who lie by not voting for them. Look at Boris’ approval rating. The only reason Boris didn’t lose by a landslide is because the Labour offering was so much worse. *If* Labour sort themselves out, next time lying will be a massive vote loser.

The Torys *aren’t* lurching to the right, quite the opposite. They’ve been blatently chasing the votes Labour walked away from.

The “Get Brexit Done” crowd. How was Labour ever supposed to get them back?

So chasing votes on the left lead to a Tory landslide & you don’t think there are any votes in the middle.

Is that a question or a statement?

They lost direction when they chose Ed over David Miliband. Downhill ever since.

next time lying will be a massive vote loser

Why?

The lies of 2016 weren’t properly challenged. The same team have repeated exactly the same strategy to win in 2019. What will happen between now and the next election to protect democracy from this approach? Why assume it won’t be just as successful next time?