You’ll have to explain what this means.

That, when comparing the closed ‘with us or against us’ politics of those currently running the Labour Party with the, dare I say it, ‘one nation’ politics of those that led the country rather than just the party… some people have little more to say than ‘Iraq’. And special kudos is given by some people to those that stood up when it mattered as regards ‘The second Bush war – the return to Iraq’, as long as they were true socialist objectors, not dirty centrist objectors.

Indeed. Some people bang on about Blairism, but conveniently forget that Nu Labour was a broad church that included the likes of Clare Short, Robin Cook and Mo Mowlan. Even Grandad and his ilk were untroubled and just left alone ploughing their 70’s retro furrow

That contrasts sharply with the present lot who view all dissent as treachery and are so untrusting of anyone deemed insufficiently ‘part of the project’ that you end up with complete imbeciles like Richard Burgon in shadow cabinet positions while politicians with 100 times their acumen and gravitas languish on the back benches.

Let’s hope so

New Labour lost 2 elections

Corbyn was best candidate out of the 4

The MPs turned on him before he had done anything (and despite being resoundedly voted in by the members.)

Cornyn constantly undermined by his own party.

Owen Smith was a nobody and promised the same policies as Corbyn.

Brexit was a disaster

First manifesto was ok but if you lose to T.M then you’ve got to go i.m.o. where were the challengers in the party now?

Brexit still a disaster- Corbyn does what the party and most members on here wants- promises 2nd ref. Blair is a cock but one comment he made at some point cut through with me, along the lines of: “2nd ref. is the right policy but you still have to go out and sell it and persuade those who disagree” Corbz could never reach out to people who were not already on board.

2nd manifesto shite almost a joke, how is possible to be so unaware of what your weaknesses are as a party?

Starmer looks a bit like Blair, I hope that he finds his own way. At least he’ll have the whole party to pick his front bench from.

Indeed. Some people bang on about Blairism, but conveniently forget that Nu Labour was a broad church that included the likes of Clare Short, Robin Cook and Mo Mowlan.

You conveniently forget that Robin Cook and Clare Short resigned on principle, and Mo Mowlam was demoted by Blair.

So much for a broad church.

And special kudos is given by some people to those that stood up when it mattered as regards ‘The second Bush war – the return to Iraq’, as long as they were true socialist objectors, not dirty centrist objectors.

News to me. Who is giving this kudos, and why does it matter?

You are the one that countered with “Iraq”, when the current leadership team were criticised about something entirely unrelated.

You are the one that countered with “Iraq”, when the current leadership team were criticised about something entirely unrelated.

You haven’t answered my question.

Anyway… back in the real world where not everyone obsesses over a decision taken nearly 20 years ago, and views all subsequent events through the prism of that….

Another drive-by shooting by the cabal of anyone who dares to criticise the glorious leader:

Couldn't be prouder to work with Trevor Phillips on the board of @IndexCensorship.

The draconian attempt by the Labour leadership to stop Trevor talking about their move to suspend him: exactly how they treat anyone who's called out anti-semitism or harassment by their cronies.

— KateMaltby (@KateMaltby) March 8, 2020

Trevor Phillips: Anti-racism campaigner suspended by Labour over Islamophobia allegations – Former chair of equalities watchdog accuses party of trying to stifle debate

Mr Phillips, who has been outspoken over Labour’s antisemitism row, said there was no evidence he had broken any rules and warned that the party was in danger of “collapsing into a brutish, authoritarian cult”.

…in danger of?

Or are they kicking him out for his anti-muslim views?

Its a dead cat to distract from the upcoming EHRC report thats going to brand labour as institutionally antisemitic

Lol, yeah very distracting. Take everyones minds of AS by talking about it.

It’s an absolutely ridiculous and desperate attempt to discredit the EHRC and just illustrates how utterly detached from reality those at the top of the labour party now are.

Anyway… back in the real world where not everyone obsesses over a decision taken nearly 20 years ago, and views all subsequent events through the prism of that….

Right, so events of 20 years ago only matter if you’re (misguidedly) citing them in support of your argument.

Top tip: do some research next time.

Or are they kicking him out for his anti-muslim views?

I actually don’t know. What’s the substance of the allegations?

I thought it’s amuse everyone that “oh Jeremy Corbin” is currently trending on Twitter, with a lot of comments about him being the best PM we never had…

They said the same about William Hague when he was a beaten man, it’ll soon pass and reality will re-assert itself.

I watched him yesterday at his last PMQ’s. Still disappointing, still championing the wrong causes.

Reminder to vote by midday tomorrow.

Blimey! That came round quickly!

Have they managed to collect all the carrier pigeons together?