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  • Premier Icon binners
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    is this selection process standard fare?

    There’s nothing the left loves more than a needlessly convoluted bureaucratic farce involving committees, sub-committees, sub-sub-committees, vicious factional infighting, endless votes on stuff, Machiavellian scheming, inexplicable, nonsensical opaque rules that nobody really understands and endless pointless processes (all forms to be filled out in triplicate).

    Those lefties presently at the top of the Labour party will be like pigs in shit with all this nonsense going on. This is exactly why they got into politics, is literally what people like Len McClusky live for, and one of the major reasons nobody will ever vote for a socialist government

    Blair took about eighteen years to step down and let Brown have a go at being unpopular.

    This lot are positively rapid.

    Premier Icon kelvin
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    inexplicable, nonsensical opaque rules that nobody really understands

    Did any candidate make it to the members’ vote without a major union sponsoring them?

    Not claiming to fully understand why all the rules are the way they are… but I think I called it correct about the new nomination process meaning that the unions effectively have a veto.

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    Corbyn didn’t even try to avoid the socialist tag. Nor will RLB.

    Nothing wrong with wearing the socialist tag with pride… but you HAVE to convince enough people who are not socialists that voting for you is better for them, and the country, than voting for anyone else, or not at all.

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    outofbreath

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    I really can’t see any reason why a state couldn’t run a business. Yet time and time again we see it can’t.

    Absolute nonsense. You can certainly show examples of times when a state owned business has failed, but the same goes for the private sector. But there are many succesful state owned and run businesses, which prove that “it can’t” is rubbish.

    ransos
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    There’s nothing the left loves more than a needlessly convoluted bureaucratic farce involving committees, sub-committees, sub-sub-committees, vicious factional infighting, endless votes on stuff, Machiavellian scheming, inexplicable, nonsensical opaque rules that nobody really understands and endless pointless processes (all forms to be filled out in triplicate).

    It was much simpler when the unions had a bloc vote.

    kiksy
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    Did any candidate make it to the members’ vote without a major union sponsoring them?

    Not claiming to fully understand why all the rules are the way they are… but I think I called it correct about the new nomination process meaning that the unions effectively have a veto.

    Candidates needed 33 CLP nominations, OR 3 affiliate nominations, 2 of which needed to be unions.

    CLP nominations:
    Keir Starmer: 374
    Rebecca Long-Bailey: 164
    Lisa Nandy: 72
    Emily Thornberry: 31

    Angela Rayner: 365
    Dawn Butler: 82
    Richard Burgon: 77
    Ian Murray: 60
    Rosena Allin-Khan: 56

    Only Thornbury failed on CLP nominations, and she also failed on affiliate .

    Every other candidate would of made it through even without union/affiliate nominations.

    BillMC
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    Any news on AS yet? I did read that one of the 3 Jewish people expelled for AS has been reinstated, but not Jackie Walker or Tony Greenstein.

    kiksy
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    Any news on AS yet? I did read that one of the 3 Jewish people expelled for AS has been reinstated, but not Jackie Walker or Tony Greenstein.

    I’ve only read of more people being kicked out/quitting before they were kicked out.
    https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/labour-expels-25-people-over-antisemitism-in-a-single-day-1.496742

    Note sure when the EHRC report is going to come out, but I guess no major changes will happen until after that and the new leader is in place.

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    Do try to keep up. Antisemitism is just…like…. SOOOOOOOO 2019. We’ve all moved on (nothing to see here).

    Booting out all the transphobic women’s rights campaigners is the latest Labour factional, foot-shooting exercise, as it concentrates its efforts on addressing the essential, pressing issues affecting the daily lives of voters.

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    Lots of candidates missing from that list kiksy.

    No union backing, not put through to the members’ vote. Pretend that’s a coincidence, rather than the intention of the new system put in place, if you want.

    BillMC
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    ‘we’ve all moved on’ Really? And still using 1970s light entertainment as an academic reference point?
    ‘nothing to see here’ Quite. My point too.

    Premier Icon binners
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    Morning comrade

    Which Trans rights pledge have you signed up too? Becky’s one or the other one?

    It’ll definitely be the issue that will decide the next election with most voters so they need to get this right.

    BillMC
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    Incidentally, I’m not your comrade, I’m not a tory. What program are you using for your punctuation and grammar?

    kiksy
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    Lots of candidates missing from that list kiksy.

    No union backing, not put through to the members’ vote. Pretend that’s a coincidence, rather than the intention of the new system put in place, if you want.

    Who is missing?

    The first round requires at least 10% MP or MEP nominations, nothing to do with trade unions. Clive Lewis for instance didn’t get enough MP votes.

    The second round is what I’ve listed above, where trade unions can have an impact (but only did in the case of Thornbury).

    The 3rd round is the membership vote.

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    Incidentally, I’m not your comrade, I’m not a tory.

    Lib Dem?

    ransos
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    Do try to keep up. Antisemitism is just…like…. SOOOOOOOO 2019. We’ve all moved on (nothing to see here).

    I see. Which minority group will you pretend to like now?

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    Blokes in dresses.

    Do keep up comrade

    ransos
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    Blokes in dresses.

    Do keep up comrade

    Really? You seemed to take the opposite view when it was politically convenient for you. It’s almost as though your professed beliefs amount to no more than an opportunity to attack your opponents. Obviously you wouldn’t be so shallow.

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    ransos
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    ^

    Obviously you wouldn’t be so shallow.

    Binners: reliably living down to expectations.

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    ‘Becky’ has just released a video saying why we should all be fighting for the rights of Palestinians

    She didn’t mention Blackburn or Preston or Sunderland or anywhere within a couple of thousand miles of the UK

    Continuity Corbyn indeed

    I just hope that they’re showing it on Iranian state TV and Russia Today so at least she can pick up her fee and join Jezza, Seamas, len,,Ian and co in the ranks of the millionaire Marxists.

    They love all that shit in Salford 6 which is the constituency she apparently represents. I was staggered to discover, given the level of proportionate interest that she shows, that it isn’t actually the Gaza Strip. Still… as you stand at the precinct, there’s nowt to worry about other than the behaviour of the IDF

    ransos
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    They love all that shit in Salford 6 which is the constituency she apparently represents.

    The constituency that recently elected her? I guess she’s more in touch than you believe yourself to be.

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    Has to be one of the safest Labour seats, to not be elected on a red rosette there would be a real shock (even given the results across the rest of the UK last year). Although, I suspect Binners’ measure of how she comes across in her own constituency is wide of the mark, as it happens. The party needs a new direction though, not just a new face.

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    (A large proportion of) Labour members do love that shit binbins, have you not been paying attention?

    She’s trying to get elected by appealing to the membership.

    ransos
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    She’s trying to get elected by appealing to the membership.

    Ah, well the problem there is that pragmatic politics is only acceptable if it’s someone binbins supports.

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    I support Manchester United. To be honest with you I think it’s a bit early for Ole Gunnar Solskjær to be running for PM. He hasn’t even qualified for the Champions League yet

    I support Manchester United.

    At least it’s not West Ham.

    ransos
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    At least it’s not West Ham

    Most people feel that way.

    taxi25
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    She’s trying to get elected by appealing to the membership.

    Which is what she needs to do at this point. And transgender rights, Palistine ect “are” important to party members. The electorate in general won’t be voting at the moment. When that happens I’m sure the tone will change, if it doesn’t then binners criticism becomes more relevant.

    lambchop
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    Just voted. Starmer/Rayner.

    ransos
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    Just voted. Starmer/Rayner.

    Crikey! I’ve not even had the form yet.

    Premier Icon binners
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    Not had mine yet either.

    Becky and Richard are just going to have to hang on for my vote.

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    Just voted. Starmer/Rayner

    Snap 👍🏼

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    Genuine question, but what is the appeal of Rayner? She doesn’t come across as the sharpest tool in the box. No accounting for taste though is there – Dr Rosena is getting my vote for deputy!

    I support Manchester United.

    It all now begins to make sense.

    Genuine question, but what is the appeal of Rayner? She doesn’t come across as the sharpest tool in the box.

    She gave a speech to our conference last year and was excellent. Witty, charming, confident, interesting…. Given the correct platform I think she could persuade a lot of people to vote labour.

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    Genuine question, but what is the appeal of Rayner? She doesn’t come across as the sharpest tool in the box.

    Have you seen the rest of the contenders for deputy leader?

    Richard Burgon in particular is an absolute gem. Self-awareness is clearly not an emotion that troubles him. He’s like a sitcom written by the Daily Mail about a clueless Marxist ‘revolutionary’ parody. A modern day Citizen Smith without the humour. Actually Citizen Smith would represent a coherent political philosophy compared to Comrade Richard. Even more hatstand than Magic Grandad

    His latest wheeze – in the usual ‘you really couldn’t make it up’ style so beloved of his Momentum followers in their sixth-form-level Corbynite political death cult:

    Exclusive: Burgon proposes ‘Tony Benn University of Political Education’

    Deputy leadership hopeful Richard Burgon wants to set up a ‘Tony Benn University of Political Education’, LabourList can reveal, because he says Labour has “failed miserably in relation to political education in the last few years”.

    In an exclusive interview, the left-wing contender vying to succeed Tom Watson as Labour’s deputy leader declared that he wanted to create a “living monument” to his hero, the late socialist Labour MP Tony Benn.

    Dawn Butler is running him a close second in utterly insane, left-wing, voter-repelling lunacy

    Burgon lost me with his absolutely inept performance during the election.

    Had a conversation with someone more clued up about such things recently who reckons Burgon isn’t quiet as much of a leftie as he’s making out. Reckons his position has shifted significantly in the last few years.

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    How left wing he is is pretty much incidental. The main problem is that he’s an absolute blithering idiot, who displays comedic levels of hapless stupidity on a daily basis. I wouldn’t trust him with sharp objects.

    Follow him on Twitter. It is pure comedy gold. It’s literally like a parody account written by the Daily Mail. He’d be an even bigger gift to the Tory’s than Grandad

    The fact that he’s the first choice of Comrade Len, Ian Lavery and Momentum shows you why as long as that mob have the influence they do, the Labour party is doomed to impotently loiter forever on the political fringes, without the remotest hope of getting anywhere near government

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