Mashr thanks for the info but I know when the race was, sorry to confuse you, mid oct was a reference to next year, even Finn Iles questioned it by saying hopefully it’s not snowing, the conditions were crap, plenty riders strayed off course, rocks too slippy/greasy, it’s more dangerous than needs be, crap for spectators too, they shortened the course and they still had visibility issues at the top, mist is definitely a problem for both riders and filming, MSA round deserves better weather, so much better earlier in the year, might even get cancelled next time, there’ll be more maple leaves on the floor than on the trees.