Missiles on the roof approved

In a similar fashion to Aunty Mable from Come Outside, I fly my Cessna from a private airstrip which is little more than a windsock, anchor and flat strip of grass.

Yeah she seems to fly it just to go down the shops. Can’t be good for the environment that.

Do you have an incredibly talented dog too?

Do you have an incredibly talented dog too?

I think I own several, but we’ve never met.

SO WTF DO WE NEED SURFACE TO AIR MISSILES FOR?!!!!!

to protect against the ones that are floan from further away than ”just outside london”

also not all airfeilds are airports and dont have the same security. for example a local flying / gliding club

> flying over London is banned or very heavily restricted during the games

SO WTF DO WE NEED SURFACE TO AIR MISSILES FOR?!!!!!

Terrorists might not have got the memo?

What are we supposed to do if they ignore the ban? Arrest them?

lets just put up some baloons and have a party!

Dear god! You lot are a government minister, chief super’s and arms salesmen’s wet dream

Its a big sports day FFS. Nobody is going to do a 9/11. And if they were, I don’t doubt for a second it could be prevented without need for the military hardware on display. Frankly its pathetic 🙄

Ask some of the athletes to help out?

+1 Binners

Balloons over London would be awesome! It would be like the blitz all over again. People could have a right proper knees up down the rub-a-dub and then go and watch the men’s 100m finals.

I’d vote for barrage balloons. Who’s with me?

Only if I can have em after and suck up the helium to do silly voices…

Its a big sports day FFS

Like Munich?

Its a big sports day FFS. Nobody is going to do a 9/11.

And I hope you’re right. But given that it is a very high profile event, that a reasonable percentage of the world will watch or be aware of, and thus presents an excellent terrorist target, it seems sensible to take some rudimentary precautions to me.

I don’t doubt for a second it could be prevented without need for the military hardware on display.

I suspect the fact that the military hardware is so well known about is part of that deterrent.

Nobody is going to do a 9/11

You heard it here first folks!

nobody would get on a bus for the games with a back pack full of explosives. oh wait a min. . . . . .

nobody would try and releice a gas in the underground. oh wait a sec . . .

Like Munich?

Which would have been easily prevented through the judicious deployment of surface to air missiles. Get a grip! 🙄

Matt, the He is yours!

Thinking about it, it would be a lot better to use statically moored hot air balloons. Lots of different colours and a lot more pretty at night. You’d make a fortune from the tourists and get a jolly good view over London from one.

Sorry, who mentioned the missiles preventing Munich?

Was Munich ‘just a big sports day’, or a terrible tragedy, that could have been prevented with better security?

The absence of armed security guards had worried Israeli delegation head Shmuel Lalkin even before his team arrived in Munich. In later interviews with journalists Serge Groussard and Aaron Klein, Lalkin said that he had also expressed concern with the relevant authorities about his team’s lodgings. They were housed in a relatively isolated part of the Olympic Village, in a small building close to a gate, which he felt made his team particularly vulnerable to an outside assault. The German authorities apparently assured Lalkin that extra security would be provided to look after the Israeli team, but Lalkin doubts that these additional measures were ever taken.[11]

Olympic organizers asked West German forensic psychologist Georg Sieber to create 26 terrorism scenarios to aid them in planning security. His “Situation 21” accurately forecast armed Palestinians invading the Israeli delegation’s quarters, killing and taking hostages, and demanding Israel’s release of prisoners and a plane to leave Germany. Organizers balked against preparing for Situation 21 and the other scenarios, since guarding the games against them would have gone against the goal of “Carefree Games” without heavy security

Nobody is going to do a 9/11

You sure about that?

You have first hand, iron clad evidence that proves there wont be an attempt at a “spectacular”?

Would you rather take the risk that maybe an effort wont be made?

Whats wrong with a show of strength? I think they call it a “deterrent..”

Personally if I was a all het up terrorist hell bent on destruction & someone said “Right London’s got SAMS…” I’d think twice about the idea of a 9/11 style event & try something else..

Seriously some of you really need to lay off the conspiracy guff & chill the f out..

Thats my 2c & Im off.

your right,

but they havent told you about all the other military assets that are / will be deployed that are not on the news.

Personally – if I was going to do a spectacular, I’d wait a week or 2, then while they’re all patting each others backs about how well the security operation went, then……

ALLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!! BOOM!!!

mrlebowski +1

GrahamS +1

zulu +1

lol.

anyway its lunch time (fish finger sandwiches Mmmmmm)

back later.

you kids play nice now.

fish finger butties? An inspired lunch choice. White bread, cheese single and ketchup?

binners: why is it “tinfoil hat” to suggest that terrorists might seek to attack London, as they have done in the recent past; but not “tinfoil hat” to suggest that the missiles are actually part of a secret power grab by Big Government and shadowy figures in the MilInd Complex???

Or were the previous terrorist attacks faked as part of the Lizard People’s cunning plot?

matt, that guyu can’t be any good, he’s not even looking where he’s shooting 😀

Personally – if I was going to do a spectacular, I’d wait a week or 2, then while they’re all patting each others backs about how well the security operation went, then……
ALLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!! BOOM!!!

It wont be much of a spectacular of everyone has gone home

but do have a hand in the air defence plan of london

STW doesn’t like people with actual first hand knowledge.

Armchair expertise, Conjecture, guesswork and wild stabs in the dark are the way.

I think my eye sight is going. I keep reading this thread title as “Missus on the roof approved”. Which if it were mine would be a far better deterent against terrorist attacks.

I suspect the fact that the military hardware is so well known about is part of that deterrent.

I suspect there may not be any live SAMs, it’s all just a deterrent.

If sams or the promise of them are needed then OK I guess, personally I reckon it’s probably OTT but better paid people than me have decided different. I do have issues with the placement of them on top of peoples houses. And if the authorities are confident shooting down a plane over a massive city is a lot less carnage than hitting a stadium again fair enough.

But don’t these terrorist scrotes usually go for low security stuff? High streets, pubs, buses, office blocks on an idle tuesday done with nowt but a small knife and some experience on flight sims. High casualty but “soft” targets?

nobody would get on a bus for the games with a back pack full of explosives. oh wait a min. . . . . .

nobody would try and releice a gas in the underground. oh wait a sec . .

and of course these would be prevented by roof mounted surface to air missiles

Was Munich ‘just a big sports day’, or a terrible tragedy, that could have been prevented with better security?

yes, better security. Not la la land security implemented by halfwits

Whats wrong with a show of strength? I think they call it a “deterrent..”

Personally if I was a all het up terrorist hell bent on destruction & someone said “Right London’s got SAMS…” I’d think twice about the idea of a 9/11 style event & try something else
anyone planning a 11/9 (maybe you can clarify what happened on 9 November sometime) would probably be a suicide (google it) bomber who isn’t making many long term plans. However, a British missile, fired from London, bringing down a large aircraft over London, with the subsequent consequences? really? You don’t see a propaganda victory that will be talked about or years, easily n the scale of the world trade centre attacks (which happened on the 11th of September). That’s what I meant by handing potential terrorists such excellent and freely available weapons

But don’t these terrorist scrotes usually go for low security stuff?

So isn’t that a good argument for not making The Games low security?

It wont be much of a spectacular of everyone has gone home

Yeah… you’re right. Central London will be deserted by then, returning as it will to the sleepy village it was before sports day.

They’re not crediting these terrorists with much imagination, are they. If I hated this country enough to want to kill masses of people, I’d wait til they’re all sat huddled around their military-industrial hardware in the capital, then just set off a dirty bomb in Birmingham or Liverpool, who will only have 2 community support officers on duty, as everyone else is on premium overtime, guarding McDonalds in Hackney

The thing is, as with all things, Londerner’s are so parochial and self-obsessed that they’re the only ones who could possibly be important enough to be targets. After all… the whole ****ing world revolves around us, doesn’t it?

I want to live in a free country but I’m not prepared defend it.

You don’t see a propaganda victory that will be talked about or years, easily n the scale of the world trade centre attacks

No. You don’t say the plane was shot down by secret missile batteries.
You tell everyone that the passengers heroically overpowered the hijackers then flew the plane into the ground. Then you make a movie about it.

I suspect there may not be any live SAMs, it’s all just a deterrent.

I suspect that there are live SAMs, just not on the roof of that building.

So isn’t that a good argument for not making The Games low security?

pretty sure you can still have high security without missiles on top of residential tower blocks. Even if it’s a PR stunt/deterrent it’s still stressing out the residents

yes, better security. Not la la land security implemented by halfwits

No, you have a plausible attack scenario, and you mitigate it by having resources in place to deal with it – ie. restricted flying areas, fast jet interceptoos, helicopers and GBAD manned by trained cloudpunchers

then you have other plausible attack scenario’s – which are in turn mitigated through other resources, like metal detectors, bag scanners, armed police, intelligence led operations, etc etc.

As was displayed with the munich example, they came up with 26 plausible scenario’s – what happened was number twenty one.

People here appear to think that either an airborne attack is so implausible as to be not worth mitigating against (plainly wrong, as we know its happened before) or that mitigating against an airborne attack prohibits you from taking action on any other plausible attack scenarios

the truth is, that you would expect them to have taken steps to guard against all realistically plausible scenarios – air defence is just one of them.

I suspect there may not be any live SAMs, it’s all just a deterrent.
I suspect that there are live SAMs, just not on the roof of that building.

I’d be very surprised if there aren’t any live SAMs on that billion pound type 45 air defence destroyer being moored in the thames.
But I am also a little surprised that the powers that be don’t appear to have sufficient confidence in it to cover the job.

mt – Member
I want to live in a free country but I’m not prepared defend it.

🙄

it’s still stressing out the residents

Boo hoo.

I get stressed out by security restrictions at airports. It’s a pain in the harris having to unpack my laptop and iPad, put all my liquids in a little bag, take my jacket, belt and shoes off, get felt up etc.

That isn’t really a good argument for removing that security.