MDMA – to treat depression?

Not just the old tunes! There’s a wealth of awesome new dance music out there these days!
The scene may not be what it was (I blame the rise in popularity of coke & ketamine as much as anything,) but the music is still stunning!

Sorry this thread needs a soundtrack

Well, if we’re getting into that….

Might as well join in then…

I’ll not get invlolved in posting tunes I love, if you don’t mind. The thread will be 100 pages long in no time! 😉

Anyway… 😉

MDMA to treat depression?
Possible I suppose. I’m convinced it’s had a lasting (positive) mental effect on me, so I can see how it could work. Obvioulsy though, people are affected differently – I know a few people over the years who should never have dabbled, but that’s the same with anything that alters your conciousness, I guess.

There’s a wealth of awesome new dance music out there these days!

+ 1, and not just EDM.

general quality of music is up from the late 80s – then you bought an album expected maybe 2 good tracks on it plus fodder, nowadays albums are much more consistent.

It is just a shame that peoples expectations of quality are so low that they get away with compressing the hell out of produced music, so it sounds good in cars…

On that docu by Idris on dance music it hinted at the society changing effects of mdna.

I am not denying any effects of mdna, but as a dance music fan since the age of 14 I found looking at dancefloors of people using it as somewhat sad, they danced to anything and thought it fantastic and all started whooping and cheering as they thought the dj was ‘in the mix’ when in fact the record has just reached a break. Contrasted badly to what I regarded a proper club as.

Detroit techno, chicago house, NY garage was definitely not produced with these drugs in mind, if you think so then that is proof of the aftereffects of the drug.

A classic example:

A lot of the euro style techno definitely was produced to target white boys out of their heads on something, ‘cos a lot of it was mindless, lowest denominator, and formulaic, with a faster tempo to help these guys dance, as they had problems with normal dance music, or even house.

Having said that most of it was good, and could well be elevated to great if the right memories are associated with it.

My memory is shyt these days – I was wondering if the excesses of those days had owt to do with it. Proffesor Nutt sez not tho

This may sound odd given my previous comments, but for things like depression I tend to err on the side that questions whether drugs which mess with your brain chemistry are a good idea.

As far as I know there’s just not enough known about either depression or the effect of the drugs at a chemical level to go messing about with it.

Our scene back in the day!

“normal dance music”

Think you’ve said all you need to say right there.

Fantastic. I think I’ve met you back in the day TG. Was it compulsory for you to change whichever uber-niche genre of music you were into on a weekly basis? So you could dismiss anything else as just commercial shite, for people off their tits?

Detroit techno, chicago house, NY garage was definitely not produced with these drugs in mind, if you think so then that is proof of the aftereffects of the drug.

I was never a fan of old Detroit Techno. I’ve seen Juan Atkins, Robert Hood, Kevin Saunderson etc and found their sets really flat, ploddy and boring. (Apart from Jeff Mills and Richie Hawtin – if you include them – who were far more lively and entertaining.)

Much prefer Sven Vath, The Advent, Chris Liebing, that kind of vibe and in lesser amounts the Liberator DJs and the rest of the SUF crew for the odd dip into the grimy squat party vibe..

Binners were you at The Hacienda for the performance a year [ish] after he died?
We must have been in the same clubs at the same time apart from Flesh – best keep that one in the closet eh 😉

There was a also a wedding of staff from the Hacienda at a Youth hostel Yorkshire way??? Did you go – hell it may even have been yours i did not know the bride or groom

Just looking an old flyer £2 before 9 and £3 after! 🙂

Erm…. a lot of it is a bit…erm… ‘hazy’ from back then. 😳

There’s an amazing video on Youtube from Atomic Jam at the Que Club in Brum back at the peak of the techno scene in 1996, with loads of people I remember. I’m in there at 11.40ish, complete with pony tail and manic chewing gum action!
Still gives me goosebumps watching it.

I was there, was pretty much at the Que every weekend as there was always something going on.

Will have a proper look at the video tonight, see if I can spot myself trying to dance 🙂

Yay Haze! My brother is on there too and loads of old mates!

Couldn’t figure out how to embed it though, so there’s just that link.

Don’t think i’ll ever go for a night out in a quarry again….

Cybotron is an interesting one, for me more associated with early electro hip hop of the 80s, like Hashim, Planet Patrol and other Arthur baker productions, all inspired by Kraftwerk. It’s not got the standard 4×4 kick drum, like techno house or disco which worked so well with MDMA. Awesome tune and still a regular on my ipod.

I was a dj and club promoter from many years , my experience was that at first MDMA taking was very discrete, you knew people were loved up but it was special and exclusive, people got a real buzz if there was a new ‘E’ in town, remember Doves, then there we’re capsules Dennis the Menace, it all went a bit wrong when K and coke became the drug of choice, I think it’s was dealers preferring to sell a gram of naughty chalk for £50 rather than a pill for less than £15, I understand E’s are even less than that now?

all started whooping and cheering as they thought the dj was ‘in the mix’ when in fact the record has just reached a break

lolol…

personally speaking, I believe the whooping and cheering was for the enormous full body rushing sensations that the break induced..

I remember at one of the best parties I went to, there was a plate of spaghetti bolognese on each turntable and the ‘DJ’ was a travellers dog that was enjoying the feast.. (DATs being wonderful things)

I think as a rule, most people couldn’t have cared less if the DJ was mixing a record or constructing an airfix kit of a boeing 747..

I call your posts.. TROLL!!

I understand E’s are even less than that now?

last time I did any they were about 50p each..!!

it all went a bit wrong when K and coke became the drug of choice

Amen to that, brother! 👿

Out of interest, how did your uni period end up ?

I remember being blown away how the DJ could blend Afrika Bambaata with Pink Floyd – a few months laterthe Bassheads tune was out lol

Yunki wrote:

personally speaking, I believe the whooping and cheering was for the enormous full body rushing sensations that the break induced..

I loved the hands on the back of the head slowly exhaling as that warm fizziness washed over you, moments – especially when you made eye contact with someone at just the same stage of their rush. Bliss!

A life changing moment for me, 1989 Energy at Brixton Academy. Frankie Bones played this, still gives me goosebumps, as does the smell of dewberry oil, which all the girls seem to be wearing. Good times 😀

I was never a fan of old Detroit Techno. I’ve seen Juan Atkins, Robert Hood, Kevin Saunderson etc and found their sets really flat, ploddy and boring

I always feel a bit guilty for not liking the Inner Life stuff – in fact anything that doesn’t have some element of ‘soul’ to it, which some of the techno seemed to lack.

Fantastic. I think I’ve met you back in the day TG. Was it compulsory for you to change whichever uber-niche genre of music you were into on a weekly basis? So you could dismiss anything else as just commercial shite, for people off their tits?

no, I have always liked nearly all forms of dance music, with some techno styles being least favorite maybe. Always had a bit of a problem with grime though. It is good to see a talented DJ build a crowd up into a frenzy, rather than have it done for him.

Clubbing tailed of post Uni with the onset of tinitus so I only caught in anger the initial uptake of chicago house, techno, uk hoouse like hardrock soul movement, etc.

Went to see Kode9 recently but couldn’t make it to the early morning hour because of the sound pressure levels, even with earplugs and locating the ‘quietest’ place in the Koko which is behind the left staircase.

Don’t mind commercial, do mind lowest denominator cr@p.

this should cheer you up then TG you grumpy old sausage.. 🙂

Just to bring it up to date, some very good techno being produced in 2012, play loud and let it build.

who would you rather meet down a dark alley a stoned lad who can hardly keep his eyes open or some pissed toilet wi a chip up his arse?

Ah yes the old hypertheticlal question to justify something.

Who would you rather meet in a dark alley. A stoned up person having a psychotic drug induced episode or the happy drunk singing and laughing?

It is good to see a talented DJ build a crowd up into a frenzy, rather than have it done for him.

That’s where it’s at. Slow burning sets, where you don’t realise how the music has been evolving and building until all of a sudden it dawns on you… OMG!!!!! 😮

There’s an amazing video on Youtube from Atomic Jam at the Que Club in Brum back at the peak of the techno scene in 1996, with loads of people I remember. I’m in there at 11.40ish, complete with pony tail and manic chewing gum action!
Still gives me goosebumps watching it.

The Que club, such an amazing place from 95-2002, the first Atomic Jam I went to was in 96 – Atomic Jam vs Megadog, Jeff Mills in 97 was stellar!
House of God was where it was really at though ( I still go to the one or two they put on a year )

I wasn’t so much into H.O.G. (Went to a few at the Dance Factory / Subway City & The Que) although I do remember a spectacular NYE one at the Institute!

After the Jam, Spacehopper was my favourite night, for a bit of Goa Trance!

Ah yes the old hypertheticlal question to justify something.

True but iirc 75 % of domestic violence involves alcohol, 50% of all violence involves alcohol and A & E is full of drunks with fighting injuries

Nothing is safe in that sense but the hypothetical Q makes the point that alcohol makes folk angry [ on average] and more likely to fight than other drugs do[ on average].
Clearly other factors come into play as well.

Clearly other factors come into play as well.

yes, they are morons…

[watched some 999: what’s your emergency last night – unbelievable.]

Out of interest, how did your uni period end up ?

Scraped through with a 3rd, then spent the next 2 1/2 years on the dole going to free parties in and around Manchester. By the time I got a job when I was 25 I was a little behind the curve on the career front and still am 🙂

I wasn’t so much into H.O.G. (Went to a few at the Dance Factory / Subway City & The Que) although I do remember a spectacular NYE one at the Institute!

Christ, think I was at that one too…you didn’t end up in a cake shop over Moseley way the following morning by any chance?!

@ Haze.

No, but I think most of the morning was spent waiting for the cloakroom fiasco to sort itself out! 😆
My brother and I did go back one morning to a house in Moseley that a chap called Tom we used to know (he was a friend of DJ Ben Kenobi(?)) shared with a couple of mates.

If you are after a more “deep” affair the may I suggest some deephouse, my mate LukeVegas on Soundcloud or Podomatic will furnish your ears with some sound.
Then theres Room84 Podcasts (soundcloud or itunes)
Oliver Schrones
Javier Orduna
Gert

And the Berlin lot of course, can’t forget them now can we.

True but iirc 75 % of domestic violence involves alcohol, 50% of all violence involves alcohol and A & E is full of drunks with fighting injuries

Yeah it does but what is more readily available, alcohol or illegal drugs and which is the most consumed?