Marginal gains to save the planet

^^I think that’s quite a big part of the disagreements on this. Any plans to save the planet MUST also include protecting poor people from being punished monetarily.

What are the non-consumerists investing their money in so people at the bottom don’t suffer? (That’s not meant as a pithy comment btw)

What are the non-consumerists investing their money in so people at the bottom don’t suffer? (That’s not meant as a pithy comment btw)

1)  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boots_theory.  Spending a decent amount on some nice boots is better for the planet (and my wallet) than several cheap pairs. It also means it’s likely paying someone a decent wage and to take their time to make them. Not rushed sweatshop labour.

2)  If I spend money on a day out then far more of that money ends up in the hands of the staff (hospitality and tourism generally being at the bottom of the pay scale) than if I’d bought “stuff” where the money ends up flowing tot he top of some corporates structure.

3) TBH if you meant actual investments then I’m no activist investor, most of it is just in various ETF trackers.  If you wanted me to stretch that to make it sound like a good thing, to sooner I retire the sooner I stop producing anything.  It’s a flimsy argument, like trying to pin STW’s carbon footprint on the staff rather than amoratizing it over all the users.

👍 you’ve got it, I didn’t just mean actual financial investments but also interested in those things.

How do we get our actual pennies to the cocoa farmers which rely on that industry?

What are the non-consumerists investing their money in so people at the bottom don’t suffer? (That’s not meant as a pithy comment btw)

Nothing – thats the point.  Its about consuming less.  Cocoa farmers can go back to growing food crops for local consumption and / or concentrate on high quality low volume sales.  No point if they have still got cocoa farms but their markets are wiped out in a decade or two.

Its either radically change lifestyles world wide or we get environmental collapse.  We either do it in a controlled and planned manner or we have it forced upon us.  There is no other choice

If I spend money on a day out then far more of that money ends up in the hands of the staff

That’s what I meant – economy based on services not making crap noone needs.

Cocoa farmers can go back to growing food crops for local consumption

Have you considered this idea in detail? I’d they sell staples to their local market I suspect they’ll make a lot less money than if they sell luxury products to us. Money they can then use to mechanise and buy other things to enrich their lives.

What we need to do is pay £2 for our bar of chocolate instead of £1.50 and the money to go to the farmers.

I prefer to buy local or as much UK made products as I can when I do need things. I ride a cotic (Scottish frame version), have unite pedals, hope brakes.

Costs more but I prefer to support locally where I can. I don’t often buy stuff for myself. Otherwise I’ve started buying most my clothes from vinted or charity shops. Don’t buy often because I’m a bloke….

I drink locally produced whisky and beer.

Now we have to worry about plastic in our penis

The study tested 23 preserved testes from cadavers of males who were ages 16 to 88 at the time of their death, then compared the levels of 12 different types of plastics in those testicles with plastics found in 47 dog testes.

Imagine the look on people’s faces when you answer their question “What do you do for work?”

DickyboyFull Member
Our 20yr old gas boiler has just been condemned for the sake of an obsolete flue component 😕 but I can’t see a heat pump being much use in a 1980’s built detached house.

I personally think it is worth it in any property. Somewhere along the line we need to try and give up gas. Our friends are having an ASHP fitted very soon in their 1980’s property.

Our boiler has been on its last legs for the last 2 years and the plumber has kept it going with care from us. We didn’t want to have another gas boiler fitted while there was the opportunity to be greener.

DickyboyFull Member
Our 20yr old gas boiler has just been condemned for the sake of an obsolete flue component 😕 but I can’t see a heat pump being much use in a 1980’s built detached house.

So a house with double glazed windows and walls with cavities will not be suitable for an ASHP?  What are you on about?  Yes, it’ll cost more, you may need to adapt your plumbing, but you can insulate your walls, roof and even easily change your windows to more efficient ones without changing the frames.  You’ve got a detached house which is almost certainly giving you a large ares for solar…sounds like it’s well on the way to being suitable for an ASHP.  Mine’s a 1973 and when the boiler dies (or even before), an ASHP will be the choice, not another boiler.  I’d be looking for an ASHP with a higher COP than the standard 3:1.  Some of the newer ones are above 4.7.