Lots of people refused service in a supermarket.

The Muslim and Moslim thing seems like a bit of a language oversight. Especially with how close U and O are on a keyboard. Somebody didn’t think things through when they created the Arabic language did they? Yes I’m looking at you early peoples of the Arabian Peninsula. Did you not thing of how small a smartphone keyboard is and how shire predictive text can be?

The Muslim and Moslim thing seems like a bit of a language oversight.

Muslim and Moslem.

Yep, that one too Tom!

I’ve no idea. I’ll ask him if you can convince me it’s relevant to anything.

The point is, like most things religious, the devil is in the details. His version of Islam is different to the cashier’s, if s/he exists. His attempt to educate her in his particular subset is as likely going to be received as well as everytime the anglican archbishop tried to explain to the pope that they’d had it wrong all along, it was a typo and the word was actually celebrate.

kinda like asking a Christian if they are Westboro Baptists.

Well.spotted. and exactly the point.

His version of Islam is different to the cashier’s, if s/he exists.

Is it reasonable to assume that geography would influence this though? Are two people sharing the same local shop either as employee or customer more likely to be of the same branch?

Is it reasonable to assume that geography would influence this though?

That’s a good question. You could argue, I suppose, that immigration patterns tend towards people with shared background (be it country/culture of origin or religion etc). Gravitating towards a particular area. Although staff might come from further away than customers based on socioeconomic factors. Plus sharing a religion doesn’t guarantee in any way sharing beliefs.

I’ve been on stw for around 10 years and have seen some brilliant posts in my time. But kilo’s comment was absolute genius..post of the decade for me for sure!

This thread deserves to stay open simply so others can see it..

One thing which I think needs pointing out is a few weeks ago some bike brands took a rightful stand against racism and social justice and most recently wideopen magazine. What it lead to was a bunch of morons claiming this was a welcoming sport and no one is racist and it’s all rosy – the last few posts on this site clearly say the opposite. It makes me ashamed to think there are people with views like this in something I love so much

You could argue, I suppose, that immigration patterns tend towards people with shared background

I was thinking more that people living local to each other might share the same mosque (church, synagogue, insert place of worship here) and so receive the same teachings.

the last few posts on this site clearly say the opposite.

Which posts are those?

joepud what you on about?

As above really an issue for Tesco and employee. If you don’t like their customer service go elsewhere.

I suspect a lot taken out of context. Meanwhile Kilo, ho ho ho.

and so receive the same teachings.

Ah, I see where you’re coming from. Yes, that makes sense as far as it goes. Don’t know a lot about mosques but if what my grandmother used to say about the church council meetings is anything to go by, they didn’t agree on much, including theology, so I suspect most religious places are the same. Much like the US and england are divided by a common language. There will probably be groups within the group who place differing emphasis on differing bits so even though the teachings are common the actual belief isn’t.

joepud what you on about?

Well I don’t know if the op was a joke but some of the views here haven’t exactly (in my opinion anyway) been the most inclusive. And the trans post which got closed was hardly a glowing reference for how inclusive mountain bikers are. On a phone with a broken hand can’t be bothered to track through this lot. But just my opinion.

It makes me ashamed to think there are people with views like this in something I love so much

Take up golf?

Jeez just realized the OP is the rivnut/towball guy.

Can someone let me know if the 4 pages are amusing enough to read? I’m hopeful.

And the trans post which got closed was hardly a glowing reference for how inclusive mountain bikers are.

People ride mountain bikes, lots of them. Some of those people are going to be dicks. Your statement is no different to all football fans are hooligans. Some people who enjoy mountain biking will be nice, open minded individuals and some won’t.

can I mention the time I cried on my trainers in Sainsburys?

You’ll never be a guide dog with that attitude.

I’ve been on stw for around 10 years and have seen some brilliant posts in my time. But kilo’s comment was absolute genius..post of the decade for me for sure!

This thread deserves to stay open simply so others can see it..

I thoroughly agree

Jeez just realized the OP is the rivnut/towball guy.

I’ve not even opened that thread. Does it need reviewing?

This forum does have some users that have opinions that are definitely “a little abrasive”. However, it’s the only “social media” I actually participate in as it’s genuinely a digital utopia in comparison to almost everything else out there.

Take up golf?

Yeh because that’s the answer rather than challenge people whos views are just wrong for 2020.

it’s genuinely a digital utopia in comparison to almost everything else out there.

This. Check pinkbike or MTBR whenever a trans girl does well in a World Cup. Vile, criminal stuff goes unmodded. Pinkbike have improved in the wake of George floyd, MTBR, not so much.

This notion crops up from time to time. Are you arguing in favour of censoring all posts from people whose views we disagree with and ban those we don’t like? And yet, we’re already accused in other threads of STW being an echo chamber.

Generally speaking, this place is self-policing as people with distasteful views get put back in their box pretty quickly by the rest of the userbase. (Cue accusations of bullying…) Is it not better to challenge these views rather than sweep them under the carpet and pretend they’re not there? It’s rare, but minds have been changed on here.

Yeh because that’s the answer rather than challenge people whos views are just wrong for 2020.

Go challenge them then.

Pro tip incidentally, if you find something that you think is inappropriate on the forum then every single post has a “report post” link under it where you can flag it for review, so a photographic memory is not required.

Take up golf?

With a broken hand?

Check pinkbike or MTBR

Pistonheads, Mumsnet…

Pistonheads, Mumsnet…

Life is too short to go there. That other places are far worse than this does not absolve those of us posting here to try much harder.

That other places are far worse than this does not absolve those of us posting here to try much harder.

No, but it kinda grates when we get compared/likened to the absolute worst of the internet.

I’ve not even opened that thread. Does it need reviewing

Not from a moderator viewpoint, it might enlighten re the op tho.

That other places are far worse than this does not absolve those of us posting here to try much harder.

This is true, but what tomhoward said.

We don’t always get it right but we’re trying very hard to make this a nice place. It’s a balance between allowing people to share opinions, even if we don’t necessarily like them, whilst keeping a lid on the more disruptive or offensive posts / posters.

When someone comes in going “IT’S ALL SHIT!!1!” with no further information or qualification, there’s nothing we can do with that information and that’s frustrating. What are we doing wrong? It’s not constructive, it’s just complaining and there’s nothing here that helps us improve things. In the IT world it’s like a fault report of “it doesn’t work.” Which is why when Joe expressed disappointment I asked the question, “which posts?” – I wasn’t being confrontational, I was asking for clarification.

Not from a moderator viewpoint, it might enlighten re the op tho.

I’e since read it. Bails beat me to the only comment I’d have had on that.

I get where the OP is coming from. A bloke on the till at Forbidden Planet (who is a practising Jedi) once refused to sell me a bottle of Romulan Ale.

That comment gives me an acute stabbing pain in the fandom.

Nice to see most people on here are fairly evenly balanced, I have to say the thread that got closed brought out the best in some of the posters I regularly disagree with and has actually restored my faith in this place despite some of the extremely toxic posts from a certain individual. Ironically it’s those individuals I now have more respect for and will think a little bit harder about when I find myself in disagreement in the future, cos actually they seem like decent people, just different world views to me, I can learn from them, doesn’t mean I’m wrong and they are right, it’s not that black and white, but it might make me question my own views a bit more critically.

Those on here screaming their loudest for their cause du jour have set back their arguments with many of us. Ends don’t justify the means, just because we’re not all as on message as you doesn’t automatically make us the enemy. The world’s not perfect, we’re not as inclusive as we should be and that absolutely includes some of the people doing the shouting. Step back, put your self in some else’s shoes for a minute (it’s what you want us to do) and tone it down a bit, you’ll make more impact in the long run.

Well said stumpyjon

despite some of the extremely toxic posts from a certain individual.

When someone complains that they feel like they are being bullied can we please stop piling on?

Just understand that not everyone comes from a nice white middle class background and may have overly active reactions to perceived attacks.

IMO that thread brought out the worst in people so can we please just leave it to die.

We’re now running on to the 3rd day of harassment over multiple threads, which is being encouraged by mods and I’ve reported numerous posts but no action has been taken.
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Cougar

I was thinking more that people living local to each other might share the same mosque (church, synagogue, insert place of worship here) and so receive the same teachings.

Facilitating alcohol (or prostitution) are not a matter of teaching or interpretation in Islam.
There is no leeway through interpretation … it is the same as taking part yourself.. serving pig isn’t, it’s a matter of interpretation or distaste.

I think that “local argument” is backwards…. people, especially immigrants naturally move to the place where their very specific sub-culture (in the widest sense) and extended family are.

Pennsylvania is a historic example. Notably granted by a minority (catholic) king…

I’m lucky to live in a town with a very old and established mosque (claims to be the oldest in N Europe) and that has over the years attracted a very diverse set of islamic cultures. As such there is no specific ethnicity or sub-culture.

However as integration goes this lags behind somewhere like Paris.
The central mosque has a cafe and resto…(and a Hammam) that welcomes everyone.
The alcohol issue is solved quite simply … you are free to take a bottle of wine and get your own glasses and pick up as corkscrew and return it but not to ask. (even though I’d hazard 1/2 the serving staff wouldn’t give 2c… if you did)

A man walks into a bar jokes are ruined forever now.

We’re now running on to the 3rd day of harassment over multiple threads, which is being encouraged by mods and I’ve reported numerous posts but no action has been taken.
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And yet you are still here on your second account , there must be something of value here for you??

What is there to get offended by? Who’s getting bullied? STW is about as PC & left wing as it gets. The whole thing is a non event, on a chat forum. Participation is not mandatory, nobody intends offence & if offence is taken. Walk away. I would never let a random unknown persons opinion  (keyboard warrior) up-stet me or ruin my day. lighten up people

https://www.cps.gov.uk/crime-info/cyber-online-crime

Take up golf?

And yet you are still here

Participation is not mandatory

Walk away.

Please, stop telling someone to go away if they feel excluded. Why do you think that is helpful?