Liz! Truss!

https://metro.co.uk/video/liz-truss-denounces-monarchy-resurfaced-clip-2734899/ lets hope the media really go to town on her about this

If you’re going to quote numbers, best they’re accurate.

I did, £40k gross equates to £2573 net take home, £457 tax and £302. Unlike TJ who’s plucking numbers out of the air I actually checked before posting. It’s also not in the top few percent of salaries and when taken as household income, be it via one or two earners it brings it below average once again blowing TJs assertion that furlough disproportionately benefited the well off out of the water.

Talking about employers etc. is not comparing apples with apples. Even the lower paid who were eventually made redundant (many fewer than were expected) managed another 18 months on 80% of their wages which was a lot better than being on UC plus 20 quid. The Tories have screwed much up but furlough was one thing they generally got right.

£2500 is 80% of the (EDIT) take home wage not the whole wage, not everyone received this as they didn’t earn in excess of £44,000 before furlough.

I’ve got nothing more to back this up other than who I talk too, but has Liz Truss got a women problem?

Nearly every woman I’ve talked to has said ‘Liz Truss, can’t bloody stand her’. No matter their political background.

Most blokes have been more on the ‘can’t be worse than the **** we had before’ comments.

Re Furlough – it wasn’t perfect – perhaps they should have run it through a few focus groups, trialled it in a few areas, met up again, do a few more trials in a few more areas.

Gone all over it again, decided 82% of £2435 was a better figure, then tweak it a bit more.

At normal government speed we’d still be tweaking it now!! 🤣🤣

The government did tweek the furlough scheme, several times. They didn’t prioritise the low paid then. The more well off, who were receiving more furlough money, ideally wouldn’t have been living pay cheque to pay cheque the way poorly paid people are forced to. Anyway, I haven’t read much about Truss being key to that policy in any way. Shall we move on?

earnings do not equal “well off”

disposable income equals “well off”

So if I mortgage myself to the hilt or take out an expensive loan or payment plan so I can have an expensive car, leaving me with no disposable income I’m no longer well off? 🤣

t’s also not in the top few percent of salaries and when taken as household income

But were not talking about household income, we’re talking about straight up salaries.

And stop talking about median wage ffs, that’s literally just the middle between the highest paid person and the lowest paid person in the country, if you’re going to try to talk statistics at least get the terminology right.

I did, £40k gross equates to £2573 net take home, £457 tax and £302. Unlike TJ who’s plucking numbers out of the air I actually checked before posting. It’s also not in the top few percent of salaries and when taken as household income,

But you forgot the 80% bit. So to receive the 2500 per month you need a salery of 50 000 pa which most certainly puts you amongst the well off

So if I mortgage myself to the hilt or take out an expensive loan or payment plan so I can have an expensive car, leaving me with no disposable income I’m no longer well off?

I agree with your comment about the car but regards housing it’s not straight forward.

Sometimes inflated housing costs are unavoidable, people have to live in certain areas because of their jobs.

Higher salary – higher mortgage – less disposable income.

£40k gross equates to

But you forgot the 80% bit. So to receive the 2500 per month you need a salery of 50 000 pa which most certainly puts you amongst the well off

So technically you really need to look at median wages.. because ‘a few’ well paid skew the mean considerably.
Even then this is still missing a lot as it’s usually only known/quoted for income tax payers…

I agree with your comment about the car but regards housing it’s not straight forward.

Sometimes inflated housing costs are unavoidable, people have to live in certain areas because of their jobs.

Higher salary – higher mortgage – less disposable income.

This isn’t China… we do have some say in what jobs we do or even having a job at all even though it often feels like we don’t. In other words there are other sources of income than PAYE employment …

Reason I’m saying that is I’ve said that myself and been trapped by it.

In other words there are other sources of income than PAYE employment

There is but not for everyone.

So technically you really need to look at median wages..

Once again, no, we don’t. You have that arse about tit. The median is literally the middle of a data set and takes no consideration for the distribution of that data. That’s fine for calculating door heights but not when considering the wage that most people are on. For that you want the mode.

Difference Between Mean, Median, and Average

@gobuchul Yeah I’m aware housing is a different argument, I know a couple of doctors in exactly that situation you described. But consider this, are they or are they not earning more than someone on minimum wage with the same housing requirements?

I wouldn’t consider them well off relative to myself but next to someone on minimum wage or zero hours I would. Which is the point being made here.

gobuchul

There is but not for everyone.

That depends how you mean “for everyone”.
Can ALL of the British people of employment age all be otherwise making a living OR can “EVERYONE” (most) of those in salaried positions do something else instead?

Obviously if we have a civil service then salaried positions seem fairly compulsory or at least difficult to think how these position might otherwise be done… however whilst not everyone can just quit and do something else simply because we would have no civil service doesn’t mean those individuals can’t as individuals.

My point really is about the mindset, I’m not saying everyone should. I’m just saying it’s an option most of us have been conditioned not to see or consider.

I’ve got nothing more to back this up other than who I talk too, but has Liz Truss got a women problem?

Nearly every woman I’ve talked to has said ‘Liz Truss, can’t bloody stand her’.

She has a bit of an issue with her presentation and delivery style that has a swatty school girl vibe to it that maybe gets under women’s skin more than mens maybe. She’s obviously aware of it and tries to suppress it but its pretty baked in. I’ve noticed in radio interviews during the campaign she starts with a deeper voice (with echos of the voice Thatcher had to be taught to use early in her poilictal career to stop her sounding like an angry head teacher) and a more measured international but it starts to slip after a few minutes and she’s back to that risible ‘pork markets!’ thing.

Compare Truss’ and Johnson’s speeches in parliament just now. He’d have made so much more (for himself) out of this period than she will, if he’d still been PM. Don’t get me wrong, that skill is dangerous, I’m glad he’s moved on, but Truss doesn’t have any of that (fake) connection to the listener/watcher that he does (nor do many other politicians, that’s not just a dig at her alone). Starmer’s speech fell somewhere between the two, but closer to Truss than Johnson.

May’s speech also head and shoulders above Truss’ effort. Theresa May!

I’m glad he’s moved on, but Truss doesn’t have any of that (fake) connection to the listener/watcher that he does

The wall she’ll hit is that she’s courted Johnson’s supporters in the campaign. What brought Johnson down was his lying but that wasnt a problem for his supporters it was to just a problem for everyone else. Johnson’s fans liked his lies not just in the end but in the beinging – he got the job not  by telling lies and getting away with it but by telling what were obviously lies – it didn’t matter to them that he was lying because the lies were all things they wanted to hear. Having got in post with their support what they’re not going to get from Truss is the lies they want.

I see from my Apple news feed that Liz Truss is tackling the most important parliamentary issues. Ties, bringing back ties. If you’re going to get caught fiddling expenses or watching porn in the house, then by god, you best be wearing a tie whilst doing it!

If you’re going to get caught fiddling expenses or watching porn in the house, then by god, you best be wearing a tie whilst doing it!

Im all for it, anything that makes it easier to choke the **** is a win in my book

Ties, bringing back ties.

As long as she’s going to wear one as well, I’m all for it. If it’s only for blokes… forget it.

Watching Theresa May was a reminder that she faced greater opposition from her own party than from across the aisle. That’s not a dig at Labour, as both May and Labour actually had the interests of the country in mind at a very testing time.

That she couldn’t handle the bunch of lying vandalistic fascists sat behind her is not a dig at her either.

Lots to think about this week, mainly how Liz Truss curtsies pic.twitter.com/ghRcLFrXMG

— SHANE REACTION (@imshanereaction) September 9, 2022

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To be fair, why should she know how to curtsy? It’s ridiculous that anyone should curtsy, never mind the PM. There will be plenty to mock her for, but not this imho.

That IS pretty funny, though. 🙂

Well Jeremy Corbyn caused a national scandal which outraged the Nation, or at least the right-wing press, when the terrorist-loving dyed-in-the-wool republican refused to bow before Her Majesty. Despite protocol and convention not requiring him to do so.

So I’m not sure why Liz Truss should get away with her lack of reverence.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4625262/Corbyn-risks-row-not-bowing-Queen-State-Opening.html

2 soups?

I bet Lizzie is loving being compared to Mrs Overall 😂

To be fair, why should she know how to curtsy? It’s ridiculous that anyone should curtsy, never mind the PM. There will be plenty to mock her for, but not this imho.

I’m 57 and I can remember girls at my junior school being taught to curtsy while we were taught to bow.

I think that might have been just your school or teacher.

Edit: Or was it in relation to the school play?

Well Jeremy Corbyn caused a national scandal which outraged the Nation, or at least the right-wing press, when the terrorist-loving dyed-in-the-wool republican refused to bow before Her Majesty. Despite protocol and convention not requiring him to do so.

So I’m not sure why Liz Truss should get away with her lack of reverence.

Well, I am probably alone in my defending her here, but I defended Corbyn back then and hence I would defend her now.

To be fair, why should she know how to curtsy? It’s ridiculous that anyone should curtsy, never mind the PM.

She had the whole summer to learn! If you’re in the running to be PM, then you should factor in that you might have to meet the Queen (now King) at some point…

I think that might have been just your school or teacher

Possibly, although my wife was taught too and she was educated in Newcastle not West Yorkshire.

Well Jeremy Corbyn caused a national scandal which outraged the Nation, or at least the right-wing press, when the terrorist-loving dyed-in-the-wool republican refused to bow before Her Majesty. Despite protocol and convention not requiring him to do so.

So I’m not sure why Liz Truss should get away with her lack of reverence.

She can barely walk properly, but that is not what is required from a PM. Attack her for: suggesting people don’t work hard enough, regional pay, fracking, backing Johnson, …

Well, I am probably alone in my defending her here, but I defended Corbyn

But did you also defend Corbyn when he caused a national scandal for not bowing “deeply enough” at the cenotaph?

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/nov/08/jeremy-corbyn-cenotaph-bow-scrutinised-social-media-remembrance-sunday

But did you also defend Corbyn when he caused a national scandal for not bowing “deeply enough” at the cenotaph?

I’m not sure why you’d need to ask, but yes. In case you’re curious, I defended Michael Foot when he wore a jacket that didn’t meet some people’s standards.

Anyone got a thing for her?

But did you also defend Corbyn when he caused a national scandal for not bowing “deeply enough” at the cenotaph?

It strikes me your problem isnt with Truss but instead with the hard right press and their complete lack of any real respect for the monarchy or other symbols such as memorial day instead just using them as handy weapons as and when.
Best demonstrated by their outrage at Corbyn not doing that claimed deep enough bow but being completely silent when Johnson turning up with a clear hangover looking like a sack of shit
Truss curtsey is just the same. She has better things to be doing with her time than practicing that crap (sadly it doesnt seem she is using her time better but…) so the only reason to care about it is next time the hard right press make a thing about some Labour or other person allegedly failing to curtsey/bow deep enough ask why they didnt get upset this time round.

But did you also defend Corbyn when he caused a national scandal for not bowing “deeply enough” at the cenotaph?

Many of us did. And we also pointed out the double standards in the media about scruffy Johnson.

I don’t hate truss as a person but I do hate her for being a figurehead for so much that is destroying society. The fact that she appears to shift her red lines is the worry for me. The government no longer governs for the betterment of the country or the people, just for its own continuence. We are in the situation that we need a government of all sides for the betterment of the country.