Joe! Biden!

Criticizing Castro for his disastrous policies and human rights record.

That isn’t what you did or said, which part of your statement was about human rights and which about policy?

A repressive authoritarian hellhole, the same as all the other Marxist totalitarian states.

Criticizing Castro for his disastrous policies and human rights record doesn’t entail supporting Pinochet or other right-wing dictators.

Never said it did, I was actually commenting more about these regimes peers around that time and the similarities between them. Not surprising really when you consider they were all part of a global proxy war. As pointed out though, that wasn’t what you said.

On your previous point though, what about Vietnam? Nobody ever really points at that and starts screaming Red Alert. They don’t seem to suffer any more problems than other countries in that region. Maybe related to the fact it was a democratic process rather than a revolution that brought the communists to power so they don’t feel like they’re constantly at war. Dunno…

I had a very pleasurable holiday in Cuba, a cycle tour, which gave you a glimpse of the real Cuba. It is a very poor country, blighted by a history of revolution and takeovers. At no point can it ever seen to be stable, the Revolution is maintained through fear. It has succeeded in developing basic health care to a level unmatched globally.

But the easiest way that the USA could destroy the existing regime is to remove all barriers. Cuban as well educated and the reality of their situation is known to all of them. With no trade barriers the control currently in power would vanish. But Biden won’t do that because the Cubans in Florida want to old on to their fears and loathing. If Biden did this any chance of him (or Democrats) winning Florida disappears for a generation.

what about Vietnam?

It has a harshly repressive government. Rich foreigners might enjoy a vacation there but residents do not have the civil liberties that are taken for granted in liberal democracies. Same goes for Cuba.

Cuba
Look at operation condor which tells us of only the one country causing the problems uin South American countries. All of them have went the same way, and all thanks to the US interfering so they cannot compete with them economically. From drug gangs taking over to the worst dictators in history, we can all time line these occurrences back to the US.

Poverty in Cuba can be blamed on the US and its sanction that hurt only the people.

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Yep I only get my news from Newsmax and One America News.

Ah I see the problem then. UK based news outlets have only reported of protests. It’s unsurprising that some American outlets might want to describe it as “rioting”.

American people are remarkably misformed when it comes to international affairs.

Ah I see the problem then

Yes, it’s the same problem that made you think the Mr Blobby was the nickname of a current politician.

What are you talking about?

Is that supposed to be some sort of smart arse come back?

Despite your claim nick there is currently no “rioting in the streets” in Cuba. If there was it would clearly be reported.

There are however currently protests going on. Nothing weird about that, unless it’s the United States’s staunch friend and ally Saudi Arabia, a country with a population of over 11 million is bound to contain at least some dissatisfied people. Cuba like all societies has its problems.

I have no opinion on whether Mr Blobby is the nickname of a current or past politician. Presumably that comment was a bizarre attempt to divert attention away from your totally false “rioting” claim.

Anyway back on topic Biden is accusing Facebook of killing people.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-vaccine-and-virus-disinformation-on-platforms-like-facebook-killing-people-says-president-joe-biden-12357536

A serious allegation but the article doesn’t suggest that he has produced much evidence.

By allowing anti vax nonsense on there?

According to the article Biden said “The only pandemic we have is among the unvaccinated”, is that really true? Is that also the case in the UK?

I have no idea how the vaccination programme is going on in Cuba but it seems to be going well in the UK.

Obviously anti vax nonsense is a problem but surely that is something for the government to deal with. The United States has too much internet connection?

I read a couple of days ago that France, where there is apparently very high resistance to vaccination, jabbed 800,000 people in just one day after the government said that only vaccinated customers would be allowed in cafés.

According to the article Biden said “The only pandemic we have is among the unvaccinated”, is that really true? Is that also the case in the UK?

That is the case in the U.S. Hospitalizations are almost entirely from unvaccinated people, which overwhelmingly means Trump supporters who get their news from Fox News or other right-wing propaganda outlets. This is amplified by Facebook, Twitter, etc. because their algorithms send you content that appeals to your existing beliefs.

Cases are surging in Republican dominated states – Florida, Missouri, Arkansas, Louisiana, etc.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/coronavirus-us-cases-deaths/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/16/covid-cases-rising/

Federal health officials sounded an alarm Friday about a surge in U.S. coronavirus infections fueled by the twin threats posed by the highly transmissible delta variant and a stagnation in efforts to vaccinate as many Americans as possible.

During a White House briefing, Rochelle Walensky, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said the seven-day average of coronavirus infections soared nearly 70 percent in just one week, to about 26,300 cases a day. The seven-day average for hospitalizations has increased, too, climbing about 36 percent from the previous seven-day period, she said.

“There is a clear message that is coming through: This is becoming a pandemic of the unvaccinated,” Walensky said. “We are seeing outbreaks of cases in parts of the country that have low vaccination coverage because unvaccinated people are at risk, and communities that are fully vaccinated are generally faring well.”

Data and maps illustrated the hastening pace of cases — and the disproportionate burden borne by some states. Florida emerged as a national hot spot, accounting for 1 in 5 cases in the past week. Four states were responsible for more than 40 percent of cases in the past week, health officials said. And 10 percent of counties have moved into “high transmission risk.”

The response in some corners of the nation was swift. In Los Angeles County, an indoor mask mandate — applying to everyone, vaccinated or not — was reimposed. In Abilene, Kan., the Dwight D. Eisenhower Presidential Library and Museum was shuttered because of an increase in covid-19 cases.

Health officials repeatedly stressed the outsize toll covid-19, the illness caused by the coronavirus, is taking on unvaccinated people and communities.

More than 97 percent of hospitalizations are among those who are unvaccinated, Walensky said, and almost all covid-19 deaths — which climbed 26 percent in the past week — are among people who have not received a shot.

Basically, Trump and his supporters have no coherent policy platform, their only principle is to reflexively oppose anything that Biden/Obama/Clinton/etc. support. If Biden says, “Nobody has to die if we just vaccinate everyone,” Trump’s team will start chanting, “Let’s all die, let’s all die.”

…but it highlights the homicidal mismanagement of the pandemic by Trump. Therefore, the Right is politically/tribally *required* to oppose the vaccines.

If Trump was in office, the Right would be vaccinated at levels that mirror or exceed Trump's support/approval levels…2/

— Nick Carmody JD, MS Psych (@Nick_Carmody) July 11, 2021

Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk encourages his young supporters at their summer gathering to "play a game" where they try to go "as far as they can" in an airport without a mask on – thus breaking the federal mandate.

— Zachary Petrizzo (@ZTPetrizzo) July 17, 2021

A Republican on CNN last week said republicans weren’t getting the vaccine because Biden didn’t give trump enough credit for it. And the CNN anchor didn’t challenge that at all.

— shval (@shval6) July 17, 2021

If Biden says, “Nobody has to die if we just vaccinate everyone,” Trump’s team will start chanting, “Let’s all die, let’s all die.”

That doesn’t sound right on several levels, not least because as president Trump was an extremely strong supporter of a vaccine programme, hence “operation warp speed”.

In fact I thought Trump’s only strategy for dealing with the pandemic was to develop a vaccine and get people vaccinated?

Plus my understanding was that the US was one of the top countries in the world for vaccine rollout.

And I didn’t think that vaccine scepticism was much higher in the US than elsewhere.

Found this which suggests that is the case:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshuacohen/2021/03/08/covid-19-vaccine-hesitancy-is-worse-in-eu-than-us/

Where Are The Newest COVID Hot Spots?

then there’s this

which is much the same as “Let them die” “Let them die”

Trump was an extremely strong supporter of a vaccine programme

Only in so much that it made him look good, now it makes Biden look good, so he doesn’t support it anymore.

Still, to claim that there is now no Covid pandemic except among the unvaccinated, as Biden has, seems strange.

I’m sure there is much to do but the United States has one of the highest vaccination rates in the world. Maybe Biden was simply trying to scare those that have still to be vaccinated.

I wish I had the confidence to believe that being double jabbed meant the end of the pandemic.

Edit : For the US president to say that there is no pandemic among the vaccinated sounds dangerous as presumably they will be less likely to take precautions to reduce transmission

Still, to claim that there is now no Covid pandemic except among the unvaccinated, as Biden has, seems strange.

More than 99% of recent deaths were among the unvaccinated, infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci said earlier this month on NBC’s Meet the Press, while Walensky noted on Friday that unvaccinated people accounted for over 97% of hospitalizations.

For the US president to say that there is no pandemic among the vaccinated sounds dangerous as presumably they will be less likely to take precautions to reduce transmission

1. Vaccinated people are much less likely to be infected and then spread it. They aren’t the problem, unvaccinated people are.

2. The Trumpists who are refusing to get vaccinated are largely the same people who refuse to take precautions. Tennessee has banned ALL vaccine outreach, not just for covid, but for all diseases. Basically, if Democrats are in favour of vaccines, Trumpists are against them.

Tennessee drops vaccine outreach to kids amid GOP opposition. Here's where Kentucky stands https://t.co/4CXStR1TZ2

— Courier Journal (@courierjournal) July 14, 2021

Vaccination rate correlates with POTUS vote down to the county level. Hard to see this and assume politics and media diets have nothing to do with vaccine decisions.
Turning Fauci into a caricatured villain, wanting Biden to fail, Fox blaring conspiracy theories: all factors.
6/x pic.twitter.com/yKMPYCXERd

— Nicholas Grossman (@NGrossman81) July 18, 2021

Do people usually get outraged when crimes are prevented? https://t.co/GU5JDiBEaQ

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) July 19, 2021

https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2021/07/21/catholic-official-grindr-reaction/

Catholic priest who wants to prevent Biden from receiving communion resigns in sex scandal https://t.co/ee3iMhODkU

— Devin Nunes’ cow ? (@DevinCow) July 23, 2021

He can’t last the full term surely?

I got less than 30 seconds in until he compared Bidens misinformation to Trumps. When Bidens is erroneously saying the vaccines will prevent all infections compared to the vast volumes of vomit spewed forth by Trump I have Dore down as a peddler of shite.

Watched a bit more but it’s unbearable, those two “presenters” don’t even manage coherent speech any better than the man they’re trying to stitch up.

How popular in the US is that sort of feeble garbage?

That video has 189k views and he has near 900k subscribers.

Enjoy Jimmy Dore’s content a lot but yes he does go a bit to stretch out small clips.

Watch the whole thing – Biden is struggling bigtime.

He can’t last the full term surely?

Trump did so he must be safe

Anyone who uses phrases like ‘experimental vaccine’ can do one.

Joe Biden does sound a bit confused at times but a) he has a stutter and b) it’s still nothing like being a lying, corrupt, narcissistic bully is it.

He can’t last the full term surely?

The Former Guy did.

The Catholic church hasnt got the authority too comment on matters relating to sex, especially given the cover ups of abuse they’ve orchestrated.

Yeah, Biden can’t string a coherent sentence together (see also the current UK PM), but what’s the extremely unwatchable irritating twonk Jimmy Dore saying? He wishes Trump had got another term? Cos I believe that was the alternative.

The only guy that likes cucumbers.

Got windmills and TV all worked out.

Dishwashing expert too.

You’re thinking we need a reminder of what a **** Trump is?

President Biden was superb yesterday. I hope he will give more updates. It shows he is calm, steady and in command. His performance through the early hours of a defining test has been very strong. I can see a Russian General whispering to Putin: “this President sips with 1 hand”

— Steve Schmidt (@SteveSchmidtSES) February 19, 2022

Let’s hope this thread doesn’t deteriorate as the Ukraine one did into pointless squabbling and points scoring which led to it being closed.
I don’t hold out much hope.

I shouldn’t think so. All the replies thus far are about Joe Biden and Donald Trump…oh no hold on ….

😛 😆

Rule #1 please

How the hell is Biden going to do another campaign and then term of office? Watching him arrive and Windsor castle he can barely walk. Don’t want to be ableist or ageist but surely there comes a point where it’s abvious that someone younger is required for such a job?

It’s a job you can do from a chair, surely. Who cares if he’s no runner?

Has there ever been a single term President who stood aside to let someone else run rather than chase a second term? I don’t know. If he did so, would that count against his party, and help the Republicans? Again I don’t know… we need a USA perspective…

[Google says not since the 1960s]