It hurts. It really bloody hurts.

Corrosive? Heavens to murgatroyd…

Yep. It is. You may not intend it as such but it is. Remember we don’t have tone of voice or body language on here, we only have the text to go on. Which is why you need to be extra-careful and tiptoe around if you don’t want to annoy people or have them think you are being abrasive or a dick.

I don’t think you are, just for the record, I think you’re alright – but it’s all about how it looks. I’ve been doing this for 25 years and I still get it wrong.

Thing is geetee, it’s that you constantly post on the same subject. The mobile view of the forum excludes usernames but I can always tell it’s one of your threads.

Now, I absolutely defend your right to do so, but you must be aware that you could post saying snow is white and the usual suspects would jump in to say it was black.

Surprised at you TJ. If you think anything you’ve read on here is upsetting then stay away from these discussions on the likes of Twitter. There you will see some sickening vitriol, mostly aimed at women.

well said wwaswas. that precisely where I realised I was hence my attempts to tone it down after my return

Sorry GT but I agree with wwaswas. Is this really the place you want to do this? Especially when it is causing pain to someone?

molgrips

Subscriber

Saying that a poster’s opinion is ‘utter nonsense’ is caustic, corrosive and unpleasant.

How does, “Yer arse!” work then? 😆

The comment “the world is a more intolerant place” is utter nonsense, by any reasonable measure.

molgrips

Subscriber
Which is why you need to be extra-careful and tiptoe around if you don’t want to annoy people or have them think you are being abrasive or a dick.

You did see your own recent post in a thread that was just about using workstands? It was the most patronising post I’ve seen here in a long time

To be a community we should act like one. Perhaps instead of ignoring bad threads, maybe we should comment on them and point out when they are wrong. That’s what you would do if you were out on a ride with your mates and someone said something unacceptable.

The idiots on here are obvious, but most people cant be bothered to tell them, and we keep out of those threads. Clearly that’s not the right way to create a community feeling.

Perhaps we should make a bigger effort to call them out.

Perhaps we should make a bigger effort to meet up for a real bike ride. I would happily offer to show anyone round my patch for a bike ride. Then the online posters become real people.

Rachel, you are one of the good ones on here.

Scotroutes – It does not upset me – just infuriate. But it clearly has upset others. Now I like to be controversial and have a good ruck but when I upset folk it upsets me and I try to avoid causing upset as a result.

Scotroutes – It does not upset me – just infuriate. But it clearly has upset others. Now I like to be controversial and have a good ruck but when I upset folk it upsets me and I try to avoid causing upset as a result.

In that case, get on to Twitter and reset your infuriation levels.

🙂 I don’t dare – have you seen scanners? Boom and TJ has no head

I don’t think the argument that Twitter and Facebook are worse has any bearing at all on how well we’re doing at STW.
It’s one reason I deliberately used my real name on here and other forums. It forces me to think that anyone could google my name and see what I’ve written. Whether it be a future employer, friend of family.

Perhaps instead of ignoring bad threads, maybe we should comment on them and point out when they are wrong.

Good point.

Perhaps instead of ignoring bad threads, maybe we should comment on them and point out when they are wrong

Ugh, er, isn’t dat how de arguments start?

To be honest, I think many of the people who are constantly “calling people out” for racism, misogyny, bigotry etc are far more damaging to the level of discourse on here than anything I have seen geetee post.

You did see your own recent post in a thread that was just about using workstands? It was the most patronising post I’ve seen here in a long time

As I say, I still get it wrong. Sometimes you can talk like that and it’s accepted as banter, other times not – and I apologise for missing the mark.

How does, “Yer arse!” work then?

I personally would view that as jest.

perchypanther
This place is becoming increasingly toxic and we’ve lost a load of good people as a result.

It’s not just gender issues either.

How recently are you talking?
I’ve been lurking on this forum since it used to crash every day with messages about the hamsters being on a fag break, and I really don’t think that’s true on the whole. If anything it’s become far more po-faced and moralistic, and even more left leaning politically to the extent it’s become rather an echo chamber. Which IMO is a shame because we have lost out on some good discussion that used to go on.

As an example of the change in po-faced-ness(?) we used to have a “Friday Kylie” thread, then somebody complained and we had “Aesthetic and Athletic” instead, obviously that got shitcanned at some point, then a day or two ago I saw somebody moaning about a misogynistic use of the word ‘jugs’.

To be a community we should act like one. Perhaps instead of ignoring bad threads, maybe we should comment on them and point out when they are wrong

I always point out Geetees glaring misogyny, doesn’t stop him endlessly posting the same crap though….

then a day or two ago I saw somebody moaning about a misogynistic use of the word ‘jugs’.

Yep, that was me. It was misogynistic and no need for it.

As an example of the change in po-faced-ness(?) we used to have a “Friday Kylie” thread, then somebody complained and we had “Aesthetic and Athletic” instead, obviously that got shitcanned at some point, then a day or two ago I saw somebody moaning about a misogynistic use of the word ‘jugs’.

Sounds like progression tbh

stw is increasingly not one of them and you continually trying to make it so is becoming the loud bore in the pub, you’re generally welcome and tolerated but sometimes you need to be reminded there are other customers who may not wanting your views shouted across the room for the whole evening.

I get the pub analogy, but I do wish Jordan Peterson would simply get the message that he’s not welcome in the public bar and stop posting here. Just saying.

So – the OP starts a thread about feeling alienated & hurt then everyone starts arguing about it. Classic STW.

For the record, I hope nothing I have posted has caused hurt & if it has I unreservedly apologise.

I shall be more mindful before posting on what are seen to be sensitive topics.

cinnamon_girl

Yep, that was me. It was misogynistic and no need for it.

I didn’t say I disagreed with you. I was merely using your post as an example of this forum becoming generally more moralistic.

I think most people are arguing in the OP’s favour but yes – I think a bit more general ‘if someone typed that about me/my gender/race/etc how would I feel if I wasn’t a thick skinned so and so’ is probably a good thing.

🙂 I don’t dare – have you seen scanners? Boom and TJ has no head

Have you considered some sort of protective headwear? If not for you, then those around you!

Don’t think we’ve ever met but I’m sad to read this place has upset you. Unfortunately the internet forums attract some idiots and they feel comfortable behaving badly. I hope you find strength to rise above and see more positives from others.

I didn’t say I disagreed with you. I was merely using your post as an example of this forum becoming generally more moralistic.

That’s cleared that up then! Wouldn’t say it’s become more moralistic, Friday Kylie was shelved many years ago and feel there’s a recognition that it’s not acceptable these days. Added to which there’s always been ladies on here, not many mind, but this type of stuff is really offputting.

Especially when it is causing pain to someone?

As I have said and as others have pointed out (even the ones who have been deeply at odds with me), nothing I’ve written has been anything other than entirely supportive of trans issues.

Not that I disagree with the sentiment but is “don’t be a dick” the best phraseology for this subject?

Ere’s a thing- why don’t people make themselves a little rule for if they see a thread started that may upset them – Report it, ignore it.
I saw one of those technicallyinepts clockbait threads with no replies dropping down the page. Oh good I thought, as my old mum used to say about my little brother ‘ignore him and he’ll go away’. But no, someone has to reply, next thing you know multiple lazy link threads, arguments… etc
Even within a thread, ignore them and what they gonna do, keep posting the same shite? Anyway, works for me. 🤪

ignore them and what they gonna do, keep posting the same shite?

Well, yeah. That’s pretty
Much what he does isn’t it ?

Peterson is not respected by any respected thinkers.

sources ? or have you just made that up ?

I suspect many of the chat threads with social/political issues will offend someone. I would suggest that if you see a thread that is likely to upset you: Don’t read it.

I suspect many of the chat threads with social/political issues will offend someone. I would suggest that if you see a thread that is likely to upset you: Don’t read it.

How about when you a see a thread about a topic that’s been a massive part of your life, so obviously you read it, and then Alpin tries his best to offend followed by a lame “I’m sorry if that’s offensive, but it’s true”

Should you then “unread it” and pretend it didn’t happen ?

Well done OP, please keep calling out things that are offensive. We all get it wrong sometimes but if the majority are helped to get it right more often hopefully you’ll feel more included.

Should you then “unread it” and pretend it didn’t happen ?

I think you read it and then reflect and perhaps draw some insight from it. I have felt as Rachel has eloquently articulated in her original post, as a result of some of the things I’ve revealled about myself and the responses that have ensued. I don’t feel hurt by those responses, but I often have felt frustrated and angry that they belittle my views and experiences.
But honest to goodness I always still take away from this forum that my knowledge, understanding and tolerance of the world is better for it. Perhaps that is why I am so dogmatic about making my points here – I care about them, but i also know I am going to be royally challenged on them and I have genuinely changed my thinking as a result of reading posts here (for example, I ended up voting Labour in the last election in part based on the poltical posts made here).

I think now is a good time for a reminder that, despite its apparent advantages of some level of anonymity, the flipside of forums is that the posts are there. Forever. In black and white.

In all honesty, there are a few posts I have made where I wince on rereading them. There were also plenty of others that never made it to air.

I have always tried to abide by rule number one, and also to not post (particularly direct responses) that I wouldn’t be prepared to say face-to-face. Sometimes I have let myself down. I will probably do so again.

To Rachael. Sorry that you got to the point where your OP to this thread became necessary. I hope that no one actually set out with the intention of hurting you. If they did, then shame on them.

Dan

I saw one of those technicallyinepts clockbait threads with no replies dropping down the page. Oh good I thought, as my old mum used to say about my little brother ‘ignore him and he’ll go away’. But no, someone has to reply, next thing you know multiple lazy link threads, arguments… etc

The only thread you could be referring to is the one on silencing of free speech.

Just because you don’t give a shit, don’t think it’s true, doesn’t mean it’s not true.

If you bothered to watch the short (30 minute) BBC panorama documentary on trans kids earlier this week, you would have seen one of the two trans kids featured acknowledge that gender critical people are scared to speak up.

The panorama episode crams a lot in but is worth a watch.

Well, at least this thread hasn’t sucked itself down the argumentative plughole of life eh.

I’m glad the topic has been brought up, glad there are differing opinions from all sides of life and our own distinct personalities.

We live in a world that’s rapidly changing socially and morally, we have to accept every argument and provided there is rational thought and morltivation the through flow of conversation should exist, and be encouraged.

Whatever the social stratosphere we proclaim to be our own, there are others who equally live in the other spheres than ours.

STW is a broad church IMO, the old analogy of it being a pub has dissolved into times past and entered a more school room debating chamber. This I’m not so keen on TBH. There seems to be only one point of view allowed to be debated, and those who dare to contravene any unwritten rules of topic quickly pushed out or played out like a goaded puppet.

We have lost some very prolific posters of old, these have been replaced by a new bread and we need to accommodate and accept that thier opinion is not “the rule” but just an opinion, just like mine and yours.

We aren’t wedded to this place, it really is a very small part of this world we live in.

geetee1972

Member

Especially when it is causing pain to someone?

As I have said and as others have pointed out (even the ones who have been deeply at odds with me), nothing I’ve written has been anything other than entirely supportive of trans issues.

You have been called out as upsetting and offending people many times but you continue to do it. You have been asked to stop making such contentious( at best) statements but you insist you will continue. Racheal mentioned you by name as one of the people posting stuff that upset her but you continue to insist that you have done nothing wrong and that you will continue to post your viewpoint even when you know it upsets people.

How about showing a little respect and stop posting your misogynistic nonsense all the time.

How about when you a see a thread about a topic that’s been a massive part of your life, so obviously you read it

Then you ought to be aware that the subject does not carry a unanimity of opinion. Some of it is bound to upset you. If it does then why read it?