IT Bods – want to know what you're worth?

Given that STW is mainly inhabited by IT workers, here’s a breakdown of (US) salaries by language:

Good to see my favourite language (VBA) is right up there in salary terms 😉

https://msgooroo.com/GoorooTHINK/Article/16191/Which-language-wins-in-terms-of-salarydemand-July-2014/14105#.U_OUyVVdVKr

Wish I were earning what other Java programmers are apparently worth. I get the feeling salaries might be a bit lower in Spain 🙂

Given that STW is mainly inhabited by IT workers

For the umpteenth time, when we actually did a survey to confirm this, we found the most common occupation for those STW people who responded, was working in the health service.

And while I have a passing knowledge of all of those languages, the chart is obviously only for programmers, which I’d argue is different to a normal IT person. 😉

Very hard to compare salaries across countries as tax / cost of living etc vary so much.

For the umpteenth time, when we actually did a survey to confirm this, we found the most common occupation for those STW people who responded, was working in the health service.

We also know that facts don’t matter when it comes to STW; for example, I have decided that STW is only read by IT bods and no amount of statistically significant data will change my opinion!

What no C++?

Odd to plot US salaries against global job nos….

here’s a breakdown of (US) salaries by language:

The data comes from an analysis of 1.5 million tech job advertisements collected between January and June 2014 from the USA, Great Britain, and Australia.

Also, salaries are in AUD.

That chart shows the best mean pay to be £50k per year…I thought programmers were paid about double that?

Reasonably accurate for a UK Senior C# developer Vague averages website

VBA – Pah, that’s not a real language! 😉

That chart shows the best mean pay to be £50k per year…I thought programmers were paid about double that?

I suspect it depends where you are / how good you are. Silicon Valley will be much higher than say Detroit etc….

Forth? Pascal? 68000 Assembler?

Dammit, I’ll have to stick to building bikes.

That doesn’t seem that high – 90k AUD = £50k, and that’s right at the upper end. I imagine the standard deviation is colossal though.

And it’s global jobs and global salaries, I worry how few people seem able to read axes 😉

That chart shows the best mean pay to be £50k per year…I thought programmers were paid about double that?

Lolz!

There’s no concept of ‘the best’ in development really, at least not in permanent roles. Whilst some people are clearly very good and some rubbish, it doesn’t seem to affect how their career progresses and definitely doesn’t affect their salary. There are some specific jobs you can get (like certain kinds of consultant maybe) that you would need to demonstrate good and/or niche skills to get, and these might pay a bit more.

If you are a contractor then having a good reputation and being obviously good during interviews helps you be more consistently successful – but your rate is more defined by how common the skills you have are. This is because most higher management have no idea what they are hiring, so they don’t know if a project has really been done well or not as long as it’s delivered.

A typical senior developer job (which isn’t very senior in company terms usually) will pay £35-50k outside London. Most younger devs will get £25-35k probably.

That chart doesn’t tell the whole story though. Most languages have a context – they are used for different things, and that dictates what kind of job you’d be doing more generally. Java is more used for big enterprise projects, so a Java dev has a different role than say a PHP dev who’s more likely to be on a small website project, for a smaller company and hence be paid less. And arguably be doing something simpler. Javascript will be mostly used for website front end work too which is again a different job area to say C#

My day job is programming in C, so I guess I’m quite niche and not cool enough to feature on the chart 😳 (Ruby on Rails is a hipster platform as far as I’m concerned!)

anyone have an idea of what the relationship between ‘advertised salary’ and ‘paid salary’ is in IT? 10% lower?
and why not show the individual countries separately? otherwise it’s pretty meaningless. I expect the dataset is dominated by the US, unless they’ve weighted averages.

The US doesn’t pay that much more than here tbh.

Or you could dispense with the exchange rate and cost of living nonsense and look at the UK

http://www.cwjobs.co.uk/salary-checker/salary-calculator

Dunno how good the data is though…

Never realised Python could attract a high salary. Thought that was more fred in the shed but not my industryso what do know.

It does confirm that the good money in IT isn’t made by programmers.

Lolz!

There’s no concept of ‘the best’ in development really, at least not in permanent roles.

Well there is on that chart! The best mean salary, as shown on that chart, is $90k AUD.

What no C++?

Pffft… hipster!

What no Embedded C on low-power microcontrollers? 😉

No Oracle? I’m doomed.

I’m pretty fluent in Java, C# and javascript, not earning near the figures for any of them though! Where’s the erlang?!

The US doesn’t pay that much more than here tbh.

It does if you land a job working for a startup in the bay area! Got a mate who does that and he lives in Wales…

Given that STW is mainly inhabited by IT workers

For the umpteenth time, when we actually did a survey to confirm this, we found the most common occupation for those STW people who responded, was working in the health service.

All that proves is the health services like multiple choice and clearly dont have enough work for their high salaries.

Entirely tongue cheek before some one shouts at me.

Vague averages website

Some of the contract day rates show quite high. I guess they’re for very short term stuff. But the hourly rates seem about right from the contractors I know.

And while I have a passing knowledge of all of those languages, the chart is obviously only for programmers, which I’d argue is different to a normal IT person.

Infrastructure is now on the negative axis :-/

You can everything in The Cloud now don’t you know!

It’s time for the ROFLcopter.

I dream about a £50K salary 🙂

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We have had to offer £60k to fairly average c# developers in London recently 🙁

Depth of technical strength doesn’t seem to be very high these days – some of which might be because of these all-encompassing frameworks that allow people to slap stuff together quickly – but the frameworks can also be demanding because there can be so many and/or they can be pretty big and complicated.

Senior C++ devs seem to be doing OK, but I don’t fancy the ones advertising “£600.00 – £700.00 per annum” :

http://www.theitjobboard.co.uk/index.php?SearchTerms=Senior+C%2b%2b+Developer&lang=en&Mode=AdvertSearch&xc=384&utm_source=Feed&utm_medium=Partnership&utm_campaign=ITJobsWatch

TurnerGuy – money grabber 😉

I initially reported it as ‘vague averages’ to indicate that I wasn’t using it as gospel truth.

Contract Dev rates equate to about £100k, permanent about half that. But in reality perms are better than contractors usually anyway

if you want real IT wages in the UK have a look here

IT Jobs Watch[/url]

But in reality perms are better than contractors usually anyway

I am not sure about that one – lot of perms trundle along and don’t want to spend any time learning new stuff unless it is on the job – contrast to contractors that have to keep their skill up to date.

But in reality perms are better than contractors usually anyway

In my experience also not true. There are good and bad in both of course. I imagine that the more niche the area the more likely a poor contractor is to find work simply because there is no-one else available. A poor Java contractor is less likely to find work since there are so many around.

I dream about a £50K salary

Worryingly, £50k won’t buy you much these days.

Contract Dev rates equate to about £100k,

MINUS

I dunno, £10k, for living expenses
another few £k for travel
another few for employer pension contributions
and the other benefits of permanent employment
and holiday pay
and sick pay
and so on

Worryingly, £50k won’t buy you much these days.

I’ll tell my mum (who earns about £18k a year) that, she’ll be very interested to hear it.

£50k buys you a pretty comfortable existence, but not of course if your aspirations lie far above your pay grade and worth.

Contract rates vary hugely depending on skill and experience.

I could get £250/day working locally on a basic Java contract, or I could get £800/day in the City doing something highly specialist at a high level for a bank.

(Note I do neither of those things currently, that’s just what my skill/experience could get)

I’d be happy on £50k if involved a short commute.

one of those C++ jobs was “£70k to £80k + benefits” and work from home.

When I see a thread like this and it makes me wish I’d stuck it out for an IT job instead of going into teaching because that’s all there was locally at the time.