Israel bombing **** out of Palestine…

…how come they get away with that then?

Should just nuke the lot of them.

yes that’ll work nuke lots of innocent people. is there anything going on up there 💡

Tails – there is a certain irony in your response.

Get the Hamas idiots to stop firing rockets into Jewish settlements and there’d be no need for any retaliatory strikes from Israel…

at least the Israeli strikes are targeted, though collateral casualties are are always going to occur given the tactical environment they’re targeting 🙁 It’s unfortunate and tragic and it’ll only make the queue for the next lot of ‘not so smart bombs’ (ie suicide bombers) longer… it’s never going to end is it?

psychle – Member
Get the Hamas idiots to stop firing rockets into Jewish settlements and there’d be no need for any retaliatory strikes from Israel…

Yep – in the “who started it” account, I’m afraid the Israelis really can call it retaliation this time.

it’s the scale of the retaliation that’s so shocking though isn’t it? I guess it’s that old tactic of the US coming to play, ‘shock & awe’…

Israel has nukes, they should use them. Just once would stop all the crap.

whats going on is a load of Hamas terrorists firing rockets into towns in Israel, for days and days, and then running to Mummy when the Israeli’s finally fire back…

They deserve every bit of shock n awe they get!

but why are hamas firing rockets? whats the background behind it?

here’s some light reading for you 🙂

Global Issues – Palestine & Israel

a lot of bad history, poor policy implementation and general ‘sh*t happening’ to summarise

FFS can we do without the emoticons.

hamishthecat – Member
FFS can we do without the emoticons.

Hark at Mr Grumpy 🙁

It’s surprising just how much the zionists have learnt from the Nazis. Here they are illegally in occupied territories, in complete defiance of international law, also moving civilians into the occupied lands in direct violation of the Geneva Convention, and when the resistance movement against their occupation fights back, they respond in classic Nazi style with collective civilian punishments.

And no, I don’t give a toss about Godwin’s Law.

“Shock n awe” is just a fancy Pentagon term for terrorist tactics. The aim is clear – to instil terror into the hearts of a civilian population.

Who started it all ? Well taking land from Palestinians to give to Russian, British, and American Jews, in recompense for what the Germans did to the Jews in WW2 was I guess, the initial injustice.

as they say, one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter… it all depends on what side of the fence you’re on doesn’t it?

The initial injustice goes back further still, the British Empire has a lot to answer for in this as well as the current ‘US Empire’…

FFS can we do without the emoticons.

I like emoticons 🙂 😆

ernie_lynch has it right. The Palestinians are fighting for what is rightfully theirs. 60 odd years ago the news was about Jewish terrorists invading Palestinian land, bombing British soldiers, etc.

With the help of American money and muscle they have stolen Palestine and now claim the Palestinians are terrorists.

If you don’t believe me, take a look at a map of the Middle East that was published before WW2, and see if you can find a country called Israel.

Palestinian rockets have killed 14 people in 10 years. How many have been killed tonight?

Hmm. Some thoughtful comments, as well as the usual ignorant stupidity. I shall leave this for tonight, and maybe come back in the morning.

Night, all!

X

seems as though the only thing we can do from here is lobby our MPs and boycott all Israeli produce.

what was BO’Bs stance on Israel? Bet he had to be pro Isreal to ensure winning the election…

I blame the romans.

I’m intrigued by the idea that you can pick one particular moment in world history, draw a map, and expect that to represent the borders of all countries in perpetuity. Can we just have a vote on what particular year this map should be drawn from? 1706 would suit me.

1933 would be better.

If you don’t believe me, take a look at a map of the Middle East that was published before WW2, and see if you can find a country called Israel.

Have you ever read a history book?

The Romans kicked the Jews out of Israel (then called Judae) 2000 years ago, i.e. well before the advent of Islam, or even the existence of the Islamic countries now complaining that the Jews have returned to their land.

The Romans kicked the Jews out of Israel (then called Judae) 2000 years ago, i.e. well before the advent of Islam, or even the existence of the Islamic countries now complaining that the Jews have returned to their land.

What’s the point you are making caller?

Good to see some more intelligent responses coming through.

Sadly, the whole situation is not very simple. As pointed out, there are thousands of years of history to consider, and a whole mess of political, economic and social factors to consider.

The unalienable truth, is that innocent people continue to die, on both sides.

I have several Jewish friends, all of whom a vehemently opposed to the actions of the Israeli government, and military. They are very sympathetic towards the Palestinian people, and find the suffering caused, utterly abhorrent. Some of them have relatives in Israel, who also oppose the government and military, as do millions of Israelis.

It does seem somewhat, that the Zionist cause has been hijacked by right-wing Western influences, to agitate things, and to impose a launch-pad for military action. Hence, other Arab states, such as Iran, and Iraq, arming themselves with weapons to deter such action. But we’ve already seen what happened in Iraq..

As for terrorism, do some research on Mossad. Some of their actions make Hamas look like amateurs.

It would seem, that if Hamas backed down, that Israel would start behaving more peacefully. But I really don’t think the Palestinians are willing to take that risk, based on previous events. As for Hamas’ ‘terrorist’ activities, well, without condoning their actions, it’s understandable that within a nation of frightened, brutalised people, there will be elements that will respond with aggression.

Yes, there have been evil, merciless attacks on innocent people, by Palestinians.

But the death toll ratio between the two nations is something like 100:1. And on both sides, too many innocent people are dying needlessly.

And to satisfy what? Western greed, it seems.

As for disproportionate response; Israel has used chemical and biological weapons during this conflict, flouted the Geneva convention countless times, and totally ignored international calls to stop the attacks.

And has an extremely advanced nuclear weapons program.

I’m glad I don’t live in Palestine.

Why don’t they just have a huge game of COD4 to settle things once and for all? Just an idea like…

terrorist organisations struggle to go beyond a certain level of “influence” using violence

the tactic that seems to work in recent times is to get to that point of maximum effect and then go peaceful and negotiate which then gives you a legitimacy you would have never otherwise have achieved and from that power (NI being a classic example, SF being marginal in Eire but in powersharing in NI)

The problem is that Hamas etc cannot back down from their desire to destroy Israel, Israel in turn is not prepared to play the long game with people living with the constant threat of missles and bombs. Hamas needs Israel to retaliate to justify its position of power within the corrupt Palestinian establishment, peace is the last thing they want as the moderates then gain power. Israeli politics are dominated by minority parties and this pushes for something to be done to sustain the current government (the loss of a couple of key Israeli leaders as not helped, Sharron and th assasinated one).

The whole thing is cyclical and only leads to more dead people and hatred.

Sorry, but I have to disagree, BnD.

Hamas is indeed an ‘extremist’ organisation, born of fanaticism and desperation. Granted, there are many corrupt and evil people within that organisation, who exploit the fear and anger of other Palestinians, mainly frustrated young men.

But in this case, it is Israel that is the aggressor; ‘responding’ to rocket attacks (the Grad medium-range missile is more an anti-personnel weapon, than a big building destroyer), with F-16s capable of deploying extremely destructive weapons, is grossly disproportionate.

The rocket attacks by Hamas, are in retaliation to the (illegal) blockade of Palestine, by the Israeli military. Wrong, but understandable, considering the circumstances.

This situation is almost certainly perpetuated by the West; to display a show of force to other potential adversaries, a showcase for their military might, and to maintain a state of fear, thus justifying pumping in billions of dollars into the military effort.

Israel is merely the front line, in the West’s attempts at imperialism, in the Middle East.

And places like Zimbabwe, the Congo etc, go ignored.

Meanwhile, innocents are still dying…

As pointed out, there are thousands of years of history to consider

No there isn’t. WTF should there be “thousands of years of history” to consider ???

What happened 2,000 years ago is completely irrelevant to the situation today, no matter what the Zionists claim.

When American Jews start handing back their homes which were built on land taken from Native Americans less than 200 years ago, then perhaps I’ll take their ridiculous claims seriously.

No doubt somehow its Margaret Thatcher’s fault. 😉

It always is!

Hamas is indeed an ‘extremist’ organisation, born of fanaticism and desperation.

Yeah you missed out the bit about them being also “democratically elected”. Extremely important according to the US – we must respect the wishes of the people, blah, blah,

The rocket attacks by Hamas, are in retaliation to the (illegal) blockade of Palestine

Yeah you missed out the bit about Israel being in ‘material breach’ of it’s UN obligations and how the UN was doing sweet FA about it.
Or how the Palestinians were forced to eat animal feed.

No there isn’t. WTF should there be “thousands of years of history” to consider ???

Exactly. The Israelies have nukes now. They should settle it once and for all. Just wait for the wind to blow in the right direction.

Yeah and Pakistan also have nukes now. Perhaps they should help their Muslim brothers and blast Israel off the face of the earth.

Bring it on. 🙂

Yep, it’s the way to go – all this pussy-footing is getting nowhere.

Remember, as soon as you see the flash drop to the ground face down with your head towards the flash with your arms by your sides. Allow the positive and negative waves to pass over you then stand up, put your respirator on, brush any dust or dirt off you and get yourself under overhead protection before carrying out any further decontamination drills or attempting to don your NBC suit.

No there isn’t. WTF should there be “thousands of years of history” to consider ???

Because you can’t simply ignore the history of a land! Zionists believe that, as their ancestors were forced from their homes, that Jews should have their ‘promised land’, as they see it, to return to. Whether you agree with that or not, that’s what they believe in. Personally, I don’t think the enforced expulsion of people from the land in which they live, where they have lived for some time, and that they have made their home, is right, but hey ho; that’s in the past, so should be ignored, right? You can’t just pick and choose from history, unfortunately. People get upset.

Interestingly, many Orthodox Jews are opposed to the ‘modern’ concept of Zion. But it remains a belief within Jewish faith and culture, that ‘This year in Exile; Next Year in Jerusalem’.

I am aware that Hamas were ‘democratically elected’. As were the Nazis, Saddam, Joerg Heider, Mugabe, Bush and indeed, Blair…

I am sympathetic to the plight of ordinary Palestinians, to have the right to peace without restrictions, and to be able to govern their own lands. As are, as I’ve said, many Israelis, and probably the majority of people on Earth.

Israel continues to act with impunity, while the ‘Global Community’ stands by and does nothing. I can’t really see a positive way forward, whilst Israel, and Hamas, continue with the policy of violence.

And I notice there have been no reports of people demonstrating outside the Palestinian Embassy here.

One side has to win. Unless that happens they’ll keep fighting. I don’t really care who wins, but one side needs to wipe out the other. Chop-chop.