ISIS -Islamic State of Iraq and Syria

If someone was dropping bombs onto Coventry, what would we do to their country? The British have a long history of disproportion return of violence.

rossi46 – Member

Just wondering, now that it’s all kicked off again in Israel- how long before ISIS and Hamas join forces to kick Israels arse?
Those Hamas rockets seem to be getting more and more range, do you suppose they are being armed with the weapons our governments gave to the Syrian rebels?
Oooooh, the irony if that were true

and if that happened which it never would then we can all start cr 4 pping ourselves cos it wont take long for them to come for the UK, USA etc…

rossi46 you would be fine though cos you could tell you agree with them…

Well John Kerry was almost beside himself/rabid over Assad and wanting to arm the rebels/overthrow Assad so who knows? The Americans are known for arming Muslim freedom fighters and have the material later used on them.

Only a few years ago the Taliban had (and used) SAMS. Wonder where they came from.

Ah, thanks Lifer!

And we now know better and prefer to act with a conscience. What’s your point there?

If someone was dropping bombs onto Coventry, what would we do to their country?

Depends if the bombs were coming from Solihull, which we’d now walled off, preventing the population from leaving, stopped allowing supplies in, turned all the water off, and were launching air strikes against, I suppose

Not sure if I’ve mentioned it before, but Operation Ajax and Operation Cyclone suggest that perhaps western intelligence services such as MI6, the CIA and Mossad have been shown to be a bit naughty historically.

Also, MI5 and MI6 seem to be a bit coy about some details relating to Lee Rigby’s killers (I appreciate you might not have heard of Exaro News, but it is the same award winning investigative journalists who are making huge headway into the alleged VIP paedophile ring, which co-incidentally, also appears to involve the intelligence services)

Whatsmore, given the extent of NSA and GCHQ operations, why is there not more arrests relating to Child Pornography and Financial Fraud; if they are collecting that much data, it must be traceable…

how long before ISIS and Hamas join forces

A very long time imo, never in fact. ISIS are headcases, brutal killers who relish beheading and crucifying people, they see other Muslims as their principle enemies.

Hamas in contrast, despite the attempts of Israel to vilify them, are quite sensible and pragmatic – that is the reason why the EU encouraged them to participate in elections.

Israel’s aggressive and murderous behaviour towards the Palestinians is what drives Hamas to take desperate measures. But they have a good record of being prepared to negotiate and if necessary to comply with ceasefires, certainly better than Israel’s.

Hamas have nothing in common with ISIS other than being predominately Sunni. They have far more in common with their Shi’ite allies in Hezbollah. imo.

There seems to be a lot of ‘leftwing’ hate for Israel on STW.

There was a time long ago when Israel enjoyed extensive support across large sections of the Left, that support slowly evaporated to the point where the left is now predominately hostile to Israel. You can’t keep stealing land and murdering those you have driven out and expect continued support from the Left.

I think also that while there was understandably huge sympathy among the Left for the plight of Jews after WW2 there then came the slow realisation of that making the Palestinians pay for the crimes committed by the Germans and other Europeans was a huge injustice.

There was also the slow realisation following WW2 that Jews for the first time in thousands of years were no longer being persecuted and could live freely.

I certainly made the journey from an extremely pro-Israeli left-wing upbringing to recognizing the brutal and racist character of the Zionist state. I also educated myself about the plight of the Palestinians, those once invisible people which shamefully many on the left simply ignored preferring to forget in inconvenient fact that it was their land which others decided to give away.

rossi46 you would be fine though cos you could tell you agree with them…

Erm how do i agree with them then? 😐

Anything is possible in the world that we live in, just think what a well placed rocket aimed at an Israeli Nuclear facility could do- oh hang on, good job they are a crap shot at the moment.
Im sure Israel would kick their Islamic arses, but then think of the hornets nest that would stir.

They’re all mad around there. I find this video fairly apt, based on the history of the region.

While the world has been watching Gaza, ISIS have taken much of Eastern Syria, reports The Independant

Looks like Obama (military supply) care has worked wonders for them then 😆

This is an interesting thing- ISIS Linked Group Kidnaps Teenagers In Isreal – could the current Israel/ Palestine situation have been instigated by ISIS?
The article was dated June 14th 2014.

Hence:

While the world has been watching Gaza, ISIS have taken much of Eastern Syria

While the world has been watching Gaza, ISIS have taken much of Eastern Syria, reports The Independant

Hold on – I thought the conspiracy theory was that the US got Ukraine to shoot down a plane to distract from Israel invading Gaza unnoticed. Now you’re telling me that the US got Ukraine to shoot down a plane to distract from Israel invading Gaza unnoticed but if anyone did notice, their noticing was designed to distract them from ISIS seizing Eastern Syria?

US got Ukraine to shoot down a plane to distract from Israel invading Gaza unnoticed

Errr no, thats just a coincidence.

The article was saying that while the world was looking elsewhere, this is what was happening in Syria. Because it wasn’t being reported in the news.
That’s all.

I think also that while there was understandably huge sympathy among the Left for the plight of Jews after WW2 there then came the slow realisation of that making the Palestinians pay for the crimes committed by the Germans and other Europeans was a huge injustice.

This.

Here we go- American Air Force back in business over Iraq!
About time or a bad decision? Or is it too little too late?

Woohoo the fighter jets are in action again … more please as I want to see A-10 in action.

I think the entire region is about to descend into complete chaos.

Borders and civil structure will disappear and the bloodletting will be huge. The USA will become enmeshed in a nightmare the like of which will make it’s previous adventurism look like masterful strategic successes.

Israel is allowing itself to be distracted by a sideshow and may have taken it’s eye of the wider regional ball.

The next question will be – which way will the Iranians jump?

On the diplomatic front, Tony Blair declares himself to be jesus and marries David Icke.

You may already know of my slight mistrust of the CIA. Mi6 and Mossad, so I’ll avoid too much real world analysis and go in the deep end playing devils advocate for a massive and bonkers conspiracy theory:

Albert Pike’s 3 World Wars, apparently from a letter written in 1871, though some dispute this as a hoax; nonetheless, it appears there is evidence to date it back at least as far as 1894:

“The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the “agentur” (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions.”

Students of history will recognize that the political alliances of England on one side and Germany on the other, forged between 1871 and 1898 by Otto von Bismarck, co-conspirator of Albert Pike, were instrumental in bringing about the First World War.

“The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm.”

After this Second World War, Communism was made strong enough to begin taking over weaker governments. In 1945, at the Potsdam Conference between Truman, Churchill, and Stalin, a large portion of Europe was simply handed over to Russia, and on the other side of the world, the aftermath of the war with Japan helped to sweep the tide of Communism into China.

(Readers who argue that the terms Nazism and Zionism were not known in 1871 should remember that the Illuminati invented both these movements. In addition, Communism as an ideology, and as a coined phrase, originates in France during the Revolution. In 1785, Restif coined the phrase four years before revolution broke out. Restif and Babeuf, in turn, were influenced by Rousseau – as was the most famous conspirator of them all, Adam Weishaupt.)

“The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the “agentur” of the “Illuminati” between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time.”

Since the terrorist attacks of Sept 11, 2001, world events, and in particular in the Middle East, show a growing unrest and instability between Modern Zionism and the Arabic World. This is completely in line with the call for a Third World War to be fought between the two, and their allies on both sides. This Third World War is still to come, and recent events show us that it is not far off.

More here, or google Albert Pike

Hard to fathom how it could be true, but certainly an interesting coincidence if nothing else

Mr Woppit – Member

I think the entire region is about to descend into complete chaos.

Really? I thought it is normality for the people there as it has been going on for many years since the 1st gulf war. The Dear Leaders of those days started to let ego got to their brains so testing the world norm. Well, they all vanish into ashes … They could have remained as the greatest Dear Leaders (Kings) amongst their people if only they could clam their ego.

Borders and civil structure will disappear and the bloodletting will be huge. The USA will become enmeshed in a nightmare the like of which will make it’s previous adventurism look like masterful strategic successes.

Well that’s the period of inevitable painful adjustment so it must happen. Do you have to show concern for USA? I mean why? It is not as if they need the rest of the world to show them any concerns? Yes?

Israel is allowing itself to be distracted by a sideshow and may have taken it’s eye of the wider regional ball.

Israel is there to stay and supported by USA so what are the world going to do? Sanction USA? Go on do it …

The next question will be – which way will the Iranians jump?

Iran will remain neutral back by Russia but if they are threaten by the so called rat-tac army they will retaliate and I bet USA or the rest will just keep quiet.

On the diplomatic front, Tony Blair declares himself to be jesus and marries David Icke.

Ya, how much does he charge per hour again to give his opinion? Quids in … kechiinnngg!

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Oh ya … for the left wing thinkers that keeps banging on Israel all I can say is you have deep rooted hatred for USA or the Jews. One of them anyway while the rest are just side shows.

1. Left wing ideology -> hatred for USA -> hence anything USA supports deem unfair (very deep hatred here).

2. Palestinian vs Israel -> good platform to vent hatred and anger because this is the ultimate area they can inflame others and to gather momentum for their hatred of USA etc.

(How come nobody show concerns for the Nigerian school girls being kidnapped? Is it coz they are Nigerian?)

3. Very biased and will only bite on something that they feel can continue their hatred.

4. Irrational justification for “David’s” (the small guy) action firing home made rockets to the big guy (Israel that is if you don’t know). Then cried heavy handed retaliation … I mean why don’t I give you a small stick to poke the Asia wasps nest (not the EU wasps coz they are small) and you continue to sit next the nest while poking it. Then cry out halt to see if the wasps will only sting your proportionately. Do it for experiment.

5. Oh yes they keep equating Israel to Nazis … hmmm … I think you are slowly showing your true colour here. I mean deep down you would like to demolish Israel don’t you? Yes?

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Love the well-placed emoticon, there…

Given the vast finances and military resources that the USA (with it’s rich history of genocide and constant war) plough into Israel,

(How come nobody show concerns for the Nigerian school girls being kidnapped? Is it coz they are Nigerian?)

You have to wonder why Obama, the CIA, the Pentagon NSA/GCHQ (and the bosses of them all the Rothschilds of Federal Reserve fame) and Netanyahu (who has all the weapons and Mossad at his disposal) aren’t putting any effort into freeing the kidnapped girls; as they seem only to happy to intervene in the resource rich Middle East time and again…

Bloody hell a picture turned up on my Twitter feed showing two victims of ISIS 😥 (allegedly) really disturbing stuff.

You have to wonder…

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10089697/John-McCain-denies-he-knowingly-posed-with-with-rebel-kidnappers-in-Syria.html

I do not have a problem with the USA performing air strikes on ISIS forces.

Hope they blow them to pieces, horrible evil bastards.

Why do ISIS have to kidnap women en-mass?
For their pleasure? Sexual appetite? Sex slave?

If they think their twisted ideology is here to stay then please let them meet Mr A-10 with wide grin. 😡

Edit: this group actually kill innocence.

Well i guess this is inevitable – could there be a revenge attack far worse than 9/11 just around the corner? I guess they have jihadist recruits all over the world lying low just waiting for an instruction.
Remember the 7th July bombers? They were completely off the radar until that day.

I guess they have jihadist recruits all over the world lying low just waiting for an instruction.

No, I guess that they don’t.

I also guess that they very much want you to think they have.

Well, if they try to exterminate Yazidis then they should deserve the full wrath of the almighty A-10 Thunderbolt (Warthog) II.

Let’s see if they can withstand the A-10’s rage. 😡

I’ve just stumbled across this for the first time, from a man who has ambitions to be Tory Party leader and therefore one day British Prime Minister.

The liberation of Iraq has actually been that rarest of things – a proper British foreign policy success. Next year, while the world goes into recession, Iraq is likely to enjoy 10% GDP growth. Alone in the Arab Middle East, it is now a fully functioning democracy with a free press, properly contested elections and an independent judiciary … Sunni and Shia contend for power in parliament, not in street battles. The ingenuity, idealism and intelligence of the Iraqi people can now find an outlet in a free society rather than being deployed, as they were for decades, simply to ensure survival in a fascist republic that stank of fear.

“a proper British foreign policy success”

“Sunni and Shia contend for power in parliament, not in street battles”

Triumph of freedom over evil

chewkw – Member
Why do ISIS have to kidnap women en-mass?

They render A-10s impotent.

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ISIS Lorry by SGMTB[/url], on Flickr

http://www.isistransport.com/

slowoldman – Member
They render A-10s impotent.

How? Human shields?

Redthunder – you should take out the ISIS cargo … 😯

How? Human shields?

Precisely.

So today’s news: apart from people being buried alive, even more sickening in my view is the Australian jihadist posing in front of the camera with his 8 year old son holding the severed head of a Syrian soldier. The man proudly announces “that’s my boy”.
Absolutely sick!

Remember the 7th July bombers? They were completely off the radar until that day.

@rossi, sadly they were not off the radar, there is anti-terror surveillance video of them ona training weekend in Wales (I think). The fact they weren;t stopped suggests to me the security services are following lots of people.

Also we are discussing this Australian jihadist photo on another thread, we are suffering thread overload wrt middle east right now IMO. other thread link

This isn’t a case of it won’t end well. It simply won’t end… Sorry if this stirs emotions or objections – I feel like the old git who complains to Points of View…

Western ideology and democracy don’t sit well in tribal cultures. The fundamental issue here is radicalisation of faith and a willingness to die for one’s beliefs. ISIS have the momentum to form a virtual state, one in which the rule of law is determined by an interpretation of a story, their interpretation. I have no sway with religion at all and I’m entitled to my opinion, as is everyone – whether you ‘believe’ or not.

Koran, Bible, Tora – whatever the ‘guidebook’, one has to ask whether they are out of date in the modern world. If they map out the journey for faith, they do so from a time when the respective cultures rarely had anything to do with one another. Now we have multiculturalism on a global scale – largely as a force for good if diversity and inclusion are given a chance.

Killing in the name of religion, moreover killing for the sake of varying beliefs, is a travesty. Superior firepower doesn’t equate to being right. All to often though, it seems that way.

I have mixed emotions about the Middle East just now. I genuinely hope for the best for Yazidis and do agree with the airstrikes as a mechanism for halting what is essentially genocide. I also hope we don’t see an escalation to the fighting – I get the sense that this has the potential to draw fuel into the fire from Syria and other disaffected areas that have struggled since the Arab Spring.

Koran, Bible, Tora

Wonderchump that’s why religions change, they do move with the time in terms of practice. The problem is fundamentalists (of all religions) do try and force things back to the past using violence. If they didn’t have religion to hide behind these people would find another reason so I don;t personally hold the religion responsible.