Is May about to call an election?

why bother?His trolls get more obvious as no one can think that of her performances so far.

Well it didn’t go well for the MP for South East Cornwall today

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jambalaya. Prime Minister May has been word perfect these past few weeks and of course today.

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May was taking the opportunity to make this look more feasible.

Some of it is trolling but also May supports some of the hopes and dreams of those who think an authoritarian hard line government, practicing nothing to hide nothing to fear is best. Her dedication to reducing immigration makes them skip and jump through their rose tinted white washed history regardless of where they choose to live.
It’s just a shame she is so bad at it, 20,000 police gone immigration unmoved despite having all the powers to do something about it. Remind me again how she has changed?
She will fail to deliver you the police state you crave.

You never know, it may be the only bloody thing she delivers on.

Prime Minister May has been word perfect these past few weeks and of course today.

In the words of Elvis Costello – “sometimes I wish that I could stop you from talking, when I hear the silly things that you say”.

Her dedication to reducing immigration makes them skip and jump through their rose tinted white washed history regardless of where they choose to live.

She can’t even achieve that.

And by the way, rather than getting drawn in to blatant trolling by Jamby, ninfan and chewky, just block them. That way the adults can have a sensible conversation without being interrupted.

Car crash interview by Home Office minister Karen Bradley on R4 Today just now. I almost felt sorry for her. But not quite.

It’s just a shame she is so bad at it, 20,000 police gone

This is the tactic though isn’t it? Cut them back till the point they break then let the private firms in to fill their boots.

worse i think its take away our basic freedoms[ in the name of safety] then sell our safety to those who wish to make a profit.

No PM could stop this so i think its unwise to try and score cheap political points – then again if May wants to i guess we have to join her in the gutter.

No PM could stop this so i think its unwise to try and score cheap political points

Three campaigning days from an election which will shape our foreign and policing policy for years makes it critical that these issues are aired thoroughly ASAP. Anything else is disrepectful to those who died. Any pause in the debate is a gift to TM.

We don’t know enough about the individuals involved in the Borough Market attack to tell if this could and should have been prevented, but there is a nasty smell around the background of Abedi in Manchester which needs to be addressed, particularly as the movement of him and his family to and from Libya falls directly in the purview of our would-be Prime Minister in her previous role as Home Secretary.

Terror in Britain: What Did the Prime Minister Know?

I heard that stuttering, stalling interview on radio 4 with Karen Bradley, trying desperately not to admit that, yes, there were far fewer armed officers, and her boss, the one who wants us to vote her in on Thursday was the one who cut them all.

Is that what strong and stable sounds like then?

it was strange – i think one of corbyns main appeals is he actually answers the question even if the person wont like the answer

SO many politicians just try and evade the simple question [ that we all know the answer to anyway] and it demeans them, us and democracy as they lie/decieve in a shifty and shitty way

The tories are not alone in this respect but they do seem the worst at it these days – see Mays response to not meeting corbyn for example

Look at the way EU bureaucratic system is enslaving the future of the Greek children now. They (Greeks) cannot even survive and live in the land of their birth but need to disperse and to beg for jobs all over other EU countries … sad innit.

Yep.

It’s all the evil EU’s fault – nothing to with the Greeks own chronic mismanagement of their own country…

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I heard that stuttering, stalling interview on radio 4 with Karen Bradley, trying desperately not to admit that, yes, there were far fewer armed officers, and her boss, the one who wants us to vote her in on Thursday was the one who cut them all.

Yep, heard it too. She still managed to get an out of context point in about how Corbyn voted against dodgy terrorist controls being implemented to try and change the focus.

it was strange – i think one of corbyns main appeals is he actually answers the question even if the person wont like the answer

SO many politicians just try and evade the simple question [ that we all know the answer to anyway] and it demeans them, us and democracy as they lie/decieve in a shifty and shitty way

You are having a laugh? You did see the debate the other night, didn’t you?

SO many politicians just try and evade the simple question [ that we all know the answer to anyway] and it demeans them, us and democracy as they lie/decieve in a shifty and shitty way

Agree, very much a Corbyn strong point is his integrity. He could have simply said “Yes, I will use the nuclear bomb in your made up scenario” but he didn’t, he explained why and if people don’t like that fine. That sort of lie is hardly going to come back and bite him is it but he still stuck to his principles.

Whereas I am still not sure if I have ever heard May actually answer a question. We just get ridiculous answers that are given until the questioner runs out of time.

What does a Bad deal look like?
May’s answer “What we want is a good deal”

So he’s not comfortable with world ending destruction. Fine by me. Have we worked out what May stands for yet? Less Police, less funding, more slogans and more chants?

Badly executed U turns?
Comprehensive failures in the past and moves towards a surveillance state.

To be fair, we are already one of the most surveilled countries on the planet as it is..

Which isn’t far enough according to May. Doesn’t that make you a bit concerned?

To be fair, we are already one of the most surveilled countries on the planet as it is..

The police complaint after the Westminster attacks was that they were ‘drowning in information’. I can’t see how collecting more information on everyone improves the situation in any way, shape, or form.

The problem doesn’t seem to be the absence of information – the Manchester bomber had been flagged up to police on 5 occasions by his own community – the problem seems to be the manpower available to do anything with that information once they have it.

And as May was the Home Secretary while 20,000 officers were cut, including specialist firearms officers, its no wonder she’s trying all manner of deflection techniques to stop people repeatedly pointing this out.

I just hope the Corbyn team hammer this home between now and Thursday. Because the right wing press are already going into full on ‘terrorist sympathiser’ mode. But that’s a side issue. He voted against anti-terrorism legislation because most of it was authoritarian in tone, ill-conceived, badly drafted, rushed-through, and had more to do with curtailing legitimate protest and civil liberties than anything to do with terrorism, and would ultimately be counterproductive

Oh come on, May’s failings of the past are all due to what Corbyn might do in the future.
Cut the Zombie Mayggot some slack.

wont be long….

the Manchester bomber had been flagged up to police on 5 occasions by his own community – the problem seems to be the manpower available to do anything with that information once they have it.

Does it? What practical differences would additional manpower have made in your opinion then?

And as May was the Home Secretary while 20,000 officers were cut, including specialist firearms officers,

It appears there was a police officer on the scene in seconds – and that he heroically tried to take the three of them on on his own, armed just with a baton. So, we had police, in the right place, at the right time, and in a role and job where there is just little or no chance that he would have been armed. If he had been, this attack would have been over in seconds.

anotger attack that would have been ended if all police officers were armed, as in NI

Comical.

The person who was home secretary is now telling us that we’ve been too soft regards our way of doing things and that she’ll be the person to sort it out. She never sorted it as home secretary (which is the perfect position to do it) so why would we believe her now?

May is really quite stupid regards her way of dealing with the public. Another example of poor leadership and of the poor advice around her.

As Binners said…..

What you need is boots on the ground.

Cameras are cheap & give some a warm glow, but they can’t kick down doors & interview folks.

Does it? What practical differences would additional manpower have made in your opinion then?

You actually need that explaining?

Ask any grown up. Maybe also ask them not to use any big words

Heard this morning our glorious pm’s now been reported to Police for breaching electoral rules over comments made on question time on Friday – accusing Diane Abbott of wanting to erase the records of “criminals and terrorists” from the national DNA database, when she had actually said that innocent people & those who were victims of crime shouldn’t have their DNA profiles kept on record…

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the Manchester bomber had been flagged up to police on 5 occasions by his own community – the problem seems to be the manpower available to do anything with that information once they have it.

Does it? What practical differences would additional manpower have made in your opinion then? [/quote]

Not my opinion, but according to the former METsenior police bloke interviewed on Sky, we need need the community policing levels (the ones that were cut) to go and investigate as many allegations as possilbe. Given that all the perpetrators of the three recent UK attacks were known to the police but not sufficiently investigated that makes sense to me.

What you need is boots on the ground.

And what would they have done?

You actually need that explaining?

Come on, what do you actually propose more people could have done?

They knew who he was, they knew his intentions – what they couldn’t do was lock him up until he actually did something

Given that all the perpetrators of the three recent UK attacks were known to the police but not sufficiently investigated that makes sense to me.

Not sufficiently investigated? Ok, what could more investigation have done? Short of random searches of his flat for chemicals (which I guarantee would have you lot up in arms about his human rights being breached) they could do nothing, nothing based only on his suspected intent.

What’s it like, being you?

Come on, what do you actually propose more people could have done?

Perhaps the former Met guy knows better than you. Perhaps he doesn’t want to share that sort of info too much but knows what he is talking about.

Not my opinion, but according to the former METsenior police bloke interviewed on Sky, we need need the community policing levels

Not my opinion, but according to the former METsenior police bloke interviewed on Sky, we need need the community policing levels (the ones that were cut) to go and investigate as many allegations as possilbe. Given that all the perpetrators of the three recent UK attacks were known to the police but not sufficiently investigated that makes sense to me.

Succinct enough ninfan?

which I guarantee would have you lot up in arms about his human rights being breached)

If there were reasonable grounds what’s to be upset about?

Rather strikes me it’s you whose thong is getting all twisted..

we need need the community policing levels

To do what? Report them as being radicalised?

Oh, turns out they had been reported, and seemingly this latest one interviewed by police over his extremist views.

So, that worked then.

What more do you actually suggest the police could have done, short of locking him up based on suspicion?

What more do you actually suggest the police could have done, short of locking him up based on suspicion?

Shoot them, shoot them all, kill em till they are dead twice? That your answer?

Perhaps the police have a plan and have some ideas but didn’t have the manpower to keep up with all the other threats they are dealing with. Maybe despite your useless suggestions and pointless trolling you have no practical ideas there. Thanks I’ll leave it to the police.

I’ve no specialisation in law so I can’t say, but I can say internment et al does not work.

That’s been proven.

What’s your suggestion ninfan?

austerity excuse for police cuts for too long