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  • Is May about to call an election?
  • Premier Icon seosamh77
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    yougov seat estimates. https://yougov.co.uk/uk-general-election-2017/ suggest it could be possible to keep the tories out, theoretically. Think there´s something new they are trying with the methodolgy behind their maths here though, so fairly experimental in their approach, remains to be seen if it plays out.

    fairly wide confidence intervals if you hover over the seats though.

    Premier Icon kimbers
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    I read earlier that yougov dont account for low youth turnout (which seems odd) so its probably Maybot all the way

    Premier Icon docrobster
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    Wow… that yougov seat estimate site says nick clegg is going lose his seat to labour. Wel he’s my mp and l I’m voting labour rather than green this time so maybe that’s possible but it’s a huge change if it is. It’s the only non labour seat round here and was Tory prior to being lib dem…(pre 1992)

    Premier Icon igm
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    Jamba?

    Premier Icon binners
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    Let’s be honest…. nobody has got a bloody clue what’s going to happen. Check out tomorrows headlines in the Tory press. They certainly don’t! They’re bricking it and desperate!

    Those pesky voters keep playing silly buggers with this whole democracy lark at the moment, don’t they?

    If Corbyn has done anything – and prior to 6 weeks ago he’d done less than nothing – it’s been a joy to watch him put the fear of God up the Maybot, the Tory party and their media attack gods. That smug, arrogant, complacent ‘huge landslide’ 20 point poll lead certainly seems like ancient history now! 😆

    Premier Icon Junkyard
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    kimbers wrote:

    I read earlier that yougov dont account for low youth turnout (which seems odd) so its probably Maybot all the way

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/06/01/pollsters-experimental-election/

    not true

    Take our most recent poll. After we had weighted our sample, taken account of how likely people say they are to vote, and weighted down the answers of those people who didn’t vote last time, we were left with a sample that implies turnout of 51% among people under 25 and 75% among people aged 65+; a turnout gap of 24 points between young and old.

    Looking at estimates from past elections from the House of Commons library, in 2015 the turnout gap between young and old was 35 points, in 2010 it was 23 points, in 2005 it was 36 points. In other words, we’re showing a smaller gap than in 2015, but similar to 2010 and not one that we think is totally unrealistic if Jeremy Corbyn has enthused younger people.

    the posts accepts pollsters are using new models so no one is sure which one will turn out to be the most accurate

    Premier Icon Junkyard
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    agree that corbyn has done a great deal to energise the electorate it remains to be seen if he has had any impact on the PLP.

    Premier Icon brooess
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    She may be gone shortly in any case – her base are not impressed and neither it appears are her MPs… leaking this story this evening

    Why Theresa May Could Be Damaged Even If She Wins U.K. Election

    https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-06-07/why-theresa-may-could-be-damaged-even-if-she-wins-u-k-election

    My parents would vote for a gerbil if it was a Tory and they’re not sure about May at all and given that it’s the Tory activists like them who select the MPs who then vote for the leader, they will make their feelings known if they’re not happy with her…

    So one possibility is they’ll shift May at some point either depending on the results of this election or the path of the Brexit negotiations.

    If they do, you’ll know that the Tory party clearly only care about their own needs and sod actually leading the country through a crisis, and we’ll also be the laughing stock of the world, losing two Prime Ministers in a matter of a year or so over what is essentially an internal madness about Europe, dragging the whole country through their own internal schism

    Premier Icon wzzzz
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    If Corbyn has done anything – and prior to 6 weeks ago he’d done less than nothing – it’s been a joy to watch him put the fear of God up the Maybot, the Tory party and their media attack gods. That smug, arrogant, complacent ‘huge landslide’ 20 point poll lead certainly seems like ancient history now!

    Effect of the media being forced to give equal time to both sides during a campaign?

    https://theconversation.com/broadcast-impartiality-rule-has-helped-labour-to-achieve-biggest-poll-shift-since-1945-78949

    Premier Icon brooess
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    Effect of the media being forced to give equal time to both sides during a campaign?

    I wonder how different the UK would be if we had a more neutral press. More balanced social views, generally more global in our outlook, less bigoted, less divided, remaining in the EU etc?

    Hopefully social media will kill the nastier elements of our press and remove their influence from our national conversation…

    Premier Icon Junkyard
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    i have always found it strange how regulated the tv and radio is and yet how free to print total BS the “free ” press is

    i think they should be governed by the same rules and they can have positions but what they say has to be grounded in fact rather than polemic and diatribe

    Premier Icon brooess
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    i think they should be governed by the same rules and they can have positions but what they say has to be grounded in fact rather than polemic and diatribe

    Which is what Leveson is supposed to move us towards and look what May wants to do with that…

    It’s very very hard not to be cynical about whether the UK really is a paragon of a liberal democracy or just a pretend one…

    Thank God for social media.

    Premier Icon Junkyard
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    I think it is equally capable of making us all live in an echo chamber and only read/see the “news” we agree with.

    Premier Icon Junkyard
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    sun sitting on the impartiality fence again

    Premier Icon lucorave
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    Well I wouldn’t expect anything else from the Sun.. there is a reason the billionaire media moguls are on the side of the Tory party and it has nothing to do with the national interest.

    Premier Icon Shackleton
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    I think that front page deserves a complaint to IPSO (for all the good it will do one May opens up “freedom of the press” and throws Leveson out).

    Premier Icon binners
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    That cover tells of just how rattled they are. This was meant to be a stroll, wasn’t it? No need for any of this? Easy…..

    Whatever happens tomorrow, it seems the democratic debate has moved in a direction that a foreign (booooooo!!!) billionaire tax avoider doesn’t like very much

    Oh…..

    Premier Icon mefty
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    I am expecting a disappointing result – 80 – 100 majority.

    Premier Icon yourguitarhero
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    I am looking forward to once again realising I am in a minority in this country and realising most people on this rock (and planet it seems) disagree with my views.

    Been on the wrong side of almost every election and referendum for the last 7 years

    Premier Icon yourguitarhero
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    Or, more succinctly:

    Looking forward to having my faith in humanity hoofed in the slats again.

    Premier Icon mikewsmith
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    Well it will make Australian PM swap seem more resonable. Anyone work for Pickfords around London?

    Premier Icon mikewsmith
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    ISIS to claim credit for Tory Victory

    The Tory party appears to have mixed feelings about this new intelligence.

    “Well, on the one hand, it is troubling news,” said a spokesperson for the party earlier.

    “On the other hand, votes are votes, and we’ll take anything that helps us cling to power, so we welcome our new IS supporters. Death to the left-wing infidels!”

    Premier Icon kimbers
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    Been on the wrong side of almost every election and referendum for the last 7 years

    Small consolation that you don’t agree with/aren’t? fooled by Murdoch or Dacre

    Premier Icon RustySpanner
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    Vote early, vote often and vote Labour.

    Premier Icon piemonster
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    Been on the wrong side of almost every election and referendum for the last 7 years

    Being on the losing side isn’t a guarantee of being on the wrong side.

    Would you really want to be on the same team as the Daily Mail and Express? I’d take a lifetime of “losing” before that!

    Premier Icon yourguitarhero
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    kimbers wrote:

    Been on the wrong side of almost every election and referendum for the last 7 years
    Small consolation that you don’t agree with/aren’t? fooled by Murdoch or Dacre

    Yes, it seems that independent thought and the ability to analyse information for motivation, bias and veracity are also in a minority in this country.

    Premier Icon yourguitarhero
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    Swollen wrote:

    Been on the wrong side of almost every election and referendum for the last 7 years
    Being on the losing side isn’t a guarantee of being on the wrong side.
    Would you really want to be on the same team as the Daily Mail and Express? I’d take a lifetime of “losing” before that!

    It’s like being knocked off your bike by a car driver who made a mistake. You might be right but you’re still in hospital and they’re at home making up lies to their insurance company about what happened. While munching oven chips with gravy. Hospital food sucks.

    Premier Icon kimbers
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    Well I’ve put my x the box, futile gesture that it is!

    Premier Icon ferrals
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    The only thing that, as always, this election will show is the antiquated and undemocratic voting system that we have. Unfortunately we blew our chance to change that.

    Premier Icon jekkyl
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    Cassetteboy vs Theresa May
    [video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7iUYWMD77w[/video]

    Premier Icon zippykona
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    I had to sit with my brexit loving tory voting in laws at the weekend and listen to them moaning about how much food had gone up.
    They are notoriously penny pinching and I actually sat there and smiled.
    You voted for it you ignorant ****.

    Premier Icon rone
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    i have always found it strange how regulated the tv and radio is and yet how free to print total BS the “free ” press is

    I guess it’s because TV is beamed into homes without any control. Whereas a newspaper is a go out and purchase scenario.

    Premier Icon dragon
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    The Sun are simply there to sell papers, they’ll support whichever party they think will win.

    Premier Icon kimbers
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    dragon – Member
    The Sun are simply there to sell papers, they’ll support whichever party they think will win.

    Premier Icon binners
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    I had to sit with my brexit loving tory voting in laws at the weekend and listen to them moaning about how much food had gone up.
    They are notoriously penny pinching and I actually sat there and smiled.
    You voted for it you ignorant ****.

    But…. but… they’ve taken back control.

    The election campaign coverage has been so all-encompassing, and then with the terror attacks, that ‘Brexit’ seems to have become a sort of abstract concept.

    But now I’m thinking ‘Shit! This is when it really all does go seriously tits up!”.

    May is going to win. And we’ll literally be diving straight into Brexit negotiations. But she, and the team of idiots around her, are so obviously ill-equipped to deal with this massive incoming shitstorm, that for the first time in my life I’m wondering if I need to start looking to a future somewhere else other than this country

    Premier Icon gordimhor
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    Voted in every election since I was 18 in 1980 but the first time I voted for a winner was when I was 35, in the 97 devolution referendum.

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    yourguitarhero – Member

    Been on the wrong side of almost every election and referendum for the last 7 years

    Losing side maybe but that doesn’t mean wrong, any more than winning a vote makes you right. Obvious Godwin but there’s plenty of people out there who’d have switched their vote to NSDAP in 32 and patted themselves on the back for winning

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    So, what are our definitions of success/failure going to be?

    For the Tories it’s a high bar to start with, a win isn’t enough, I reckon that a majority of less than about forty will be seen as a huge failure for Theresa and her leadership of the party.

    For Labour, what demonstrates failure for Corbynite/Leftist rather than Centrist/Blairite policies? What happens if, for example, they win less seats but a bigger vote share, will people cling on to that as an endorsement of radical leftist policies?

    Premier Icon mikewsmith
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    I reckon that a majority of less than about forty will be seen as a huge failure for Theresa and her leadership of the party.

    Given she broke the fixed terms, had what was seen as a commanding lead everywhere was ready to wipe labour off the map and win Wales, anything less than a majority of 100 is a failure.

    Anything close is a voctory for Corbyn’s lead but I’d suggest he needs to be steering towards the next candidate at the next election taking it hard to the Tories in opposition.

    Premier Icon fifeandy
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    For the Tories it’s a high bar to start with, a win isn’t enough, I reckon that a majority of less than about forty will be seen as a huge failure for Theresa and her leadership of the party.

    Technically, holding the same majority and restarting the 5 year timer will be a win, however I think you are right, anything less than a 40-50 majority will be seen as a failure.

    For Labour, what demonstrates failure for Corbynite/Leftist rather than Centrist/Blairite policies? What happens if, for example, they win less seats but a bigger vote share, will people cling on to that as an endorsement of radical leftist policies?

    In the example of less seats but bigger vote share it’ll probably just kick off yet another round of his party trying to get rid of him, and the membership voting him right back in again.

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