If you were born in Scotland but your parents were English….

Are they GOOD PEOPLE?

if the answer is yes – it does not matter.
They are still good people

if the answer is no – it does not matter.
you get c**** from everywhere

simply_oli_y – Member
English parents then english by lineage. But a person of scotland in terms of culture etc.

If a cats born in a kennel it doesn’t make it a dog, does it?

They could change into a big elephant, yes? 😆

thomthumb – Member
am i ‘more indian’ than my indian mate? His grandparents all born in Uganda. My grandfather born in Raipur.
doesn’t make him african, nor me indian IMO.

You are Indian. You are British Indian or Indian with British Nationality. Me mates (Gujarati) from Kenya all consider themselves Indians rather than Africans. i.e. Kenyan nationality but ethnicity Indian. They always see themselves as Indians.

Just like Chinese all over the world. They are all Chinese but may be Italian Chinese, French Chinese etc but bottom line is that they are Chinese. Regardless of what they say about their fancy nationality if they are Chinese they are, unless they breed themselves out.

Phil_H – Member
Born in Scotland, lived here all my life but because my parents were born in England I spend the first half of my life being told I didn’t belong.
This probably explains my deep distrust of Scottish nationalism

That’s fairly similar to my early experiences. It’s pretty painful to be told that you’re not a part of the country into which you were born and where you’ve always lived, especially to be told that more than once as a child.

My personal sense of national identity is pretty evenly balanced between being Scottish and British, probably due to those early experiences. I can’t think of myself as English at all though, despite my parentage. It’s a place I’ve visited, but it’s never felt like a homeland to me.

My mum was researching our family tree a few years ago and discovered that ironically my dad’s family actually moved to Yorkshire from Huntly, which is only about 30 miles from where I grew up, a few generations ago.

There are different technical rules about nationality for sport, etc, but I think it is about residency and where you build your life and identity. That might be during your formative years (so some people will retain their original national identity even when they move to another country) or you may choose to adopt a new nationality if you put down roots elsewhere.

I live and work with lots of English-born people who have made their permanent home in Scotland and I would regard them and their kids as Scots (I won’t speak for how they view their own nationality).

I’m not sure about the idea of “people of Scotland” and “ethnic Scots” either. How would you define an “ethnic Scot”?

I think regarding yourself as Scottish or English just by parentage is pretty tenuous, if you are actually brought up in a different place and have no significant interaction with the country of your assumed identity.

I’m Scottish, the wife’s English.

During the Independence referendum a card carrying SNP member, a “friend of a friend” called my kids “half breed little bastards” Make of that what you will

My grandma was Welsh, I was born in India to English parents, my kids were born in People’s Republic of South Yorkshire, but have lived most of their lives in Scotland….

Is thier a nationality for ‘Mongrel’?

matt_outandabout – Member

Is thier a nationality for ‘Mongrel’?

Aye- British

My father is from Manchester, mother is American – I was born here so I’m Scottish.

proud to be a mongrel here

I’m Scottish, the wife’s English.

During the Independence referendum a card carrying SNP member, a “friend of a friend” called my kids “half breed little bastards” Make of that what you will

I’d say you were pretty unlucky to meet such an unpleasant person. What’s the relevance of the SNP membership?

During the Independence referendum a card carrying SNP member, a “friend of a friend” called my kids “half breed little bastards” Make of that what you will

Nationalist scum, they exist, unfortunately, and the talk of Brexit and Scottish independence only makes them think such attitudes are acceptable. As i said above, i am not English and never will see myself as such because i was on the receiving end of the abuse many years ago.

Place of birth or sense of belonging should be borderline irrelevant sideshows imho, it’s whether you’re a **** or not that counts.

I agree with you about place of birth Piemonster but I think a sense of belonging is pretty important. It can make a place feel like home, helps people to feel part of a community. A lack of that sense of belonging might contribute to a sense alienation with all that entails

A lack of that sense of belonging might contribute to a sense alienation with all that entails

I would word it slightly differently, treat some one as an outsider and that is how you get issues. People are always part of a society and can have many ideas of self. The school, the job, the hobbies, the town, religion, etc there is rarely a conflict between identities unless someone wants to create an issue. This person can be within the group or without.

The less grounded a person the easier it is to make them feel that they have no place in the greater whole and the more likely they are to lash out.

English parents but I was born in Glasgow

Apparently it is an individual decision

I’m English

I was born in Canada to British parents. I have dual nationality and get to cherry pick all the best parts of each. Love it! 🙂

I have two friends.
One born in London to English parents, raised in Glasgow & a staunch Rangers fan, speaks with a broad Glaswegian accent & identifies as Scottish.
Other bloke, born in Rochdale of Scottish Parents, speaks with the same accent as me. Staunchly Scottish.
Basically its down to cultural exposure, you are what you feel yourself to be.

Me? Scottish & Welsh heritage on my maternal side, but i know/feel naught of that. My fathers side have been here since before the Conquest, we are in the Domesday book & our name comes from a place four miles from where i sit now. Guess which side i identify with?
My maternal grandparents were all miners who moved from Wales/Scottish borders to look for work in the mills in the C19th, but i know almost nothing if them as people, which is a real pity. I dunno, how do you quantify a feeling?

but I think a sense of belonging is pretty important

I have a sense of belonging and grounding for sure, it’s just that the “community” is only limited by how many people there are and not what behaviours those people exhibit. There’s no us and them for me, just us.

Basically its down to cultural exposure, you are what you feel yourself to be.

Which will be down to this and especially childhood experiences. Fair to say I’ve found Brexit a challenge.

you would be English

Excuses, excuses.
🙂

Your official nationality should be your country of birth.

Any difficulties that arrise from this are the fault of chance or sloppy parenting.

Your official nationality should be your country of birth.

So no one is English then, there is no such country.

Your official nationality should be your country of birth.

The only time in my adult life I declared myself as Indian, was to become the only Indian to enter the world stone skimming championships, so becoming Indian national champion by default….

🙂

Back to great grandparents I’m English, French, Scottish, Irish,
and Spanish .
Possibly Belgian too, but she might originally have been from somewhere else.

I was born in Lancashire.
To a Yorkshire father.

Rusty wins the Heinz award for biggest mongrel….

Makes you think.
🙂

Nightmare when watching Eurovision though.

KCR I think the guys SNP membership is very relevant. During a discussion about the referendum he bitches about English folk living in Scotland, has a go at my wife & calls my kids half breed bastards.

I’d say his membership/support of said party is very relevant. There’s some real racist **** in their ranks.

There are. They get kicked out when they’re caught but there’s 120000 members so it’s no wonder there’s some scumbags (and sadly, this particular sort of scumbag is likely to be drawn towards the party. Not that they’re made welcome, it’s just an obvious tie-in)

dahedd – Member

KCR I think the guys SNP membership is very relevant.

not really, you could be a member of the conservative party in Scotland and still make the same comment or just some scumbag from the council estates.

You should be able to choose whatever nationality you want / feel most comfortable with.

You didn’t choose your parents, their nationality or where they had you born – why should you be saddled with them?

Nationality, like nations, is an overrated concept.

I’m Scots by the way. From Yorkshire these days.

llama – Member
English parents but I was born in Glasgow

Apparently it is an individual decision

I’m English

May I offer my condolences

Edit – 😉

Born and lived in Scotland my whole life, English parents. I’m Scottish.

When I say my parents are English, my old man’s parents were a geordie and a glaswegian, my mum’s parents were Polish….so it’s all nonsense trying to assign some kind of reasoning to it if you keep working back….

I’d say his membership/support of said party is very relevant. There’s some real racist **** in their ranks.

Xenophobic, perhaps? Neither English or Scottish are races.

I don’t see anti English rhetoric coming from the SNP (in fact they go to some lengths to stress their position is not anti English) so I don’t see why you are conflating the offensive behaviour of some individual members with a party whose official position is clearly opposed to such behaviour.
Contrast that with the nationalism of UKIP, where leading figures in the party talk in a way that I regard as overtly xenophobic, and sometimes racist.

engish and scottish are races under the various laws around discrimination

Yes anti English racism is present in the SNP ranks, its a tiny amount and they are kicked out when discovered. Its not a core part of the ~SNP philosophy unlike UKIP