iDave Diet Joinee

IMO you don’t need to refuel after every workout. Not immediately anyway. Normal meals are fine. A lot of info put out there for elite athletes gets used by recreational athletes. No need.

Dave, Molgrips is an Elite Athlete. Why else would he use specialist recovery products and have a power meter?

Use your noodle.*

*Or low GI equivalent.

Just got the fact sheet.

So whats the deal with no dairy?

Gave up milk a long time ago, but cheese and yoghurt. That’s going to be tough.

I always thought cheese was low carb and yoghurt aswell so long as its not got added fruit etc.

Well in my experience reco drink definitely helps me feel less hungry after a big ride and much less tired the following day. Maybe that’s not desirable in the long run for some other reason, I dunno.

I don’t understand this elite athlete bit. Surely if it helps, it helps – regardless of how good you are?

FieldMarshall – it’s not a low GI diet as such, it’s a low insulin diet. Dairy products, whilst low GI, produce a higher insulin response than they ought to from their carbs alone. Likewise fruit afaik.

IMO you don’t need to refuel after every workout

I generally follow the rules in the plan.

try telling that to our friends Cheesecake and Cola!!!!!

Kev

A lot of info put out there for elite athletes gets used by recreational athletes.

Some of the diet plans I’ve read for elite triathlets aren’t that disimilar to normal eating… sure they eat more of it, but they’re swimming 5k+, cycling for 3 hours and doing hard run intervals over 10k.

Surely if it helps, it helps

I’m guessing they don’t aid weight loss?

It’s not a ‘low carb’ diet FM

diary is paradoxically low GI but has a high insulinemic response.

Thanks.

Understood.

Goes away to look up “insulinemic response”. 💡

I’m guessing they don’t aid weight loss?

Post ride carbs is on the diet plan. Not sure why I’m being castigated here.

I am aware this is coming across as a have a go at Molgrips session, but…

I generally follow the rules in the plan.

The plan states, supplementary eating to accommodate exercise less than 90mins is not required.

You had a tea party in response to 24-50mins.

Oh.. the info seems to have changed since I first read it.

I reckon iDave will be canonised, in the end.

He’s got the patience for it.

Post ride carbs is on the diet plan. Not sure why I’m being castigated here.

Molgrips.
Not castigated by STW standards.

But. You adhere to some parts of the plan, and wiggle on others.

But, but !. No one is holding a gun to your head, so please yourself is what I say.
( yes, I know you will, I’m just saying like )

You adhere to some parts of the plan, and wiggle on others

Or, to put it another way, I’ve tried to experiment and adapt to my personal situation, and learn in the process.

Stupid, I know.

Not sure why I’m being castigated here.

Molly – I’m being cruel to be kind.

TBH – if you just said… “I really don’t follow the plan, it’s not for me” then we’d have saved a whole load of space on the WWW.

Or, to put it another way, I’ve tried to experiment and adapt to my personal situation, and learn in the process.

Stupid, I know.

Its olympic gold and all the other titles of your dreams, for you, TSY.

When you finally get as fast at moving as you are at posting.
😉

Apologies if this has already been asked, but I’m a bit late to the party.

So is this plan all or nothing, i.e. if you reduce your “insulinemic response” do you see a benefit in proportion to the reduction, or do you have to lower it beyond a certain threshold to see any benefit.

What I’m saying is can I cheat and still get something out of it, but less dramatic and/or over a longer period of time?!

You had a tea party in response to 24-50mins.

Proper coffee over keyboard moment there Jamie, thanks! 😀

bad timing there Molly, that won’t win you any races 😉

Kev

What I’m saying is can I cheat and still get something out of it, but less dramatic and/or over a longer period of time?!

I asked that a while back in this thread…. no one seemed to know the answer.

Its been working for me, 111.5kg on New Years day, 98.6kg today. Also in that time I’ve also done a six week threshold booster training plan, few weeks rest now on week 3 of the time crunched cyclist experienced competitor plan. I had to get the fueling right pre-session but now that I’ve got that sussed, distances and power are looking good. Largest difference of course is now my power to weight ratio has had a massive boost due to loosing over 12kg so far.

ChrisS and FieldMarshall – I would imagine it’s heavily dependant on what your diet is like at the moment.

@Chris

It’s hard to say, as people are different when it comes to insulin response, what their current diet is like and whether they are currently a biffer. Also, the level of activity one does would also affect the impact of occasional cheating.

Unfortunately, trial and error have to be your tools if you decide to change things up a bit.

What I’m saying is can I cheat and still get something out of it, but less dramatic and/or over a longer period of time?!

Yes, you can. It’s not all or nothing. Do some of it and you’ll get some of the benefit.

However I’ve found that there are pitfalls and certain things to watch out for. Like I say, having something sweet can cause a domino effect (no pun intended) which makes you want more sweet stuff pretty badly – although it doesn’t seem to do that if it’s post workout.

Also, beware eating simple carbs right befor exercise as above – can stop you burning fat.

And with that, I’m off out for a run!

And with that, I’m off out for a run!

I’ll get the dessert trolley ready for your return.

TSY

I was diagnosed gluten intolerant two years ago, so I essentially cut out bread, pasta, cereal literally overnight. The withdrawl symptoms were bad, but no where near as bad as i had felt in the 10 years prior to that.

I was also diagnosed dairy intolerant at the time too, so cut out milk, chesse and switched to goats yoghurt.

As I said on another idiet thread, I lost 22lbs in 3 weeks! Worrying at the time.

However, over the last year or so, i have started eating cows cheese and yoghurt again without issue and the odd bit of processed carb has snuck in, e.g. GF pasta once a week.

I would say that my diet was fairly good and fairly well matched to my metabolic type. But I am probably still 1 to 1.5 st over “my” ideal weight.

I dont race and am not looking to become a super athlete, but just want to eat as healthily as possible, but without becoming too obsessed with what I eat.

I do really enjoy cheese, yoghurt and berries, so was just wondering whether any gain will be worth the pain.

Molgrips,

I have experienced that “domino effect” first hand. I was training reasonably hard a month or so ago and was getting hungrier and hungrier after each session, felt lousy and generally went downhill. I then realised that I had been satisfying my hunger with high GI type foods, switched back to mostly protein and hunger/fatigue went away.

Thanks for the advice. I think i’ll sneak in a bit of dairy/fruit as a post exercise meal.

eating sweets or high sugar content food makes you crave more because sugar addictive. it’s that plain and it’s that simple.

Kev

amazed how complicated people make this

amazed how complicated people make this

Some of the conributors here have too much time and too little work to do.
😉

its not complicated FFS! calories in vs calories out. zero/low carb. no twix’s or mars ‘refuel’ drinks allowed. simples.

its not complicated FFS! calories in vs calories out. zero/low carb. no twix’s or mars ‘refuel’ drinks allowed. simples.

I think you’re right, but are tomatoes and porridge allowed?

are tomatoes and porridge allowed?

What about parsnip and sweet potato? 😉

What about tzatziki? In or out?

Shhhhh

#toocutetobeDD

What happens on *******, stays on *******.

after each session, felt lousy and generally went downhill

Yeah, that’ll be something to do with that thing you call exercise.

Has anyone stopped to wonder.
If you didn’t feel lousy after an amount of time exercising.

Would you stop ?.

When would you stop ?.

How else is your body going to indicate to you, that its suffering and that its had enough ?.

Exercise.
Enjoy yourself.
But, afterwards, you will / should, feel tired.
Embrace this also, rest, your body will recover anyway.
Your body will recover as it has a personally signed order from nature herself.
To keep you alive.
Left to its own devices and without having tons of sugar crammed into it.
your body will do this very well.

i’ll answer this one iDave, dont worry, i’ve read the internet so know all there is to know.

tomatoes are a sin.
porridge is made of baby porries, do you have no heart?!?!
parsnip and sweet potatoes taste awesome, of course they’re not allowed.

tzatziki is a made up word, you’re banned

Christ I’m going to do some exercise in about 2 hours and I really don’t know what to eat when, how, why?

I’ve got a ‘nana and a nature valley bar. I’ve got a load of dried nuts to and some soreen in the boot of my car I think. Pretty sure I’ve got some energy gels left from the weekend too. Shall I eat them all, now, in a minute, after, help meeee.

Exercise.
Enjoy yourself.
But, afterwards, you will / should, feel tired.

😯 Really?

What happens on *******, stays on *******.

SSSSSSssssssssssssssh!
Thanks for clearing that up philly

its not complicated FFS! calories in vs calories out. zero/low carb. no twix’s or mars ‘refuel’ drinks allowed. simples.

And the days off ?????????
🙄