I knew my wife was 'a-musical' but really…..

All is said

I don’t see anyone banging on and on about other great Liverpudlian bands

Woody – Member

“What I find annoying is statements like ‘they were rubbish’ when quite evidently they had more talent in their little fingers (including Ringo) than the poster of the comment. Musical (s)nobbery at its best”

Ah, I see- so you can’t criticise a band unless you’re more musically talented then them? Fair dos, that’s 99% of people disqualified from having any opinion about any music but if those are the rules…

“They were rubbish” is a statement of opinion, that’s all. Now I am aware that there are people out there who can’t recognise a statement of opinion unless it has “In my opinion” right beside it but that’s their problem.

Octopus’s Garden=Classic
Yellow Submarine=Awesome
Ob-La-Di Ob-La-Da=Choon
😀

I love this song… really couldn’t give a flying fk what any of you’s think on the matter.

Some of you… enjoy.
The rest… mleh. 😛

All music criticism on here is just bunkum, it’s just verbose justification for not liking something. I dislike most of the beatles output, especially the pop stuff, I’m allowed to dislike it yeah? This is still a free country?

That being said if I had a choice between Beatles and Oasis then I would be the greatest beatles supporter ever..

Woody – Member
The point was that it is ok not to like them, but you cannot say they were rubbish.
Indeed.

What I find annoying is statements like ‘they were rubbish’ when quite evidently they had more talent in their little fingers (including Ringo) than the poster of the comment. Musical (s)nobbery at its best

Entertaining thread however and I’d be very interested to hear from the anti-Beetles lot as to who they think are the iconic bands or individuals who have shaped contemporary music

OK, so you think I’m a musical snob because I dont share the same musical taste as yourself? That seems like musical snobbery to me….

Just because a band is seen as iconic and to have shaped contemporary music… well that doesn’t mean that everyone should like them surely?!

The spice girls had a massive influence and were seen as iconic, representing both women and britain across the world… doesnt mean they were amazing and I should like them.

You snobs… feel free to rip into as many bands as you like in the hope it’ll offend my musical preferences, it’ll be impossible as I understand that just because I like it… well that doesnt mean that everyone else should does it?

😀 What a beautiful morning for checking this thread hahaaaa

Oh yeah, and in your anger you appear to have made an assumption that I have no musical talent…. you know that is subjective and down to opinion too right? I could bang twigs on wheelie-bins and certain cultures would consider me as more talented than the beatles. Music is a form of art, and one man’s Da Vinci is another man’s Damien Hurst.

wow, reading that back once i’ve had coffee and woken up… it appears as if i was angry when writing it, i really wasnt, was dozy, wrapped up in a cold room eating eggs and toast and my eyes weren’t open.

my point about the spice girls still stands 😛

All I need to know is:
Do people really think Helter Skelter is “rubbish”?

The spice girls had a massive influence and were seen as iconic, representing both women and britain across the world… [/Quote]
Wait 40 years till after they have split and when half of them are dead and see if people even know who they are. You also seem to have mistaken hype for talent in the Spice Girls case- influential – well they had their moment in the sun but so did new kids on the block and a variety of other forgetable bands

Just because a band is seen as iconic and to have shaped contemporary music… well that doesn’t mean that everyone should like them surely

Yes you can fail to see their genuis and not like them if you wish and of course you can hold the opinion that they are rubbish – even idiots have the right to free speech 😉 I dont think anyone is preventing anyone from saying they do not like them. It is another thing to say they are rubbish when they just are not for you. I can name loads of music that I dont personally like but I can see that it is not rubbish just not my cup of tea.

I could bang twigs on wheelie-bins and certain cultures would consider me as more talented than the beatles[/Quote]
Even for here that is one of the most ridiculous pieces of hyperbole I have ever seen

junkyard… i think it is you who fails to see the genius in spice girls!

Yes you can fail to see their genuis and not like them if you wish and of course you can hold the opinion that they are rubbish – even idiots have the right to free speech I dont think anyone is preventing anyone from saying they do not like them. It is another thing to say they are rubbish when they just are not for you. I can name loads of music that I dont personally like but I can see that it is not rubbish just not my cup of tea.

i dont like the rolling stones or queen, but i can appreciate they were ‘good’
the beatles (in my opinion, and seemingly quite a few more on here) were rubbish cos they didnt seem to have any particular talent for playing music. waaaaaaay over-rated. id see ringo tapping away at his drums with the crowd screaming and think “what the ****????”

on the flip side, i love the sex pistols, and can also say they were ‘rubbish’ too. no particular talent but just loved what they stood for and the noise they made.

so just cos you ‘love’ the beatles doesnt stop them from being over-rated sh*t. (IMHO) 🙂

anyone else still chuckling over the ‘my wife is a-musical’ followed by ‘some bird called Michelle’

Na – don’t like Beatles either.

A former Mrs MTG never used to miss an opportunity to tell me how much she hated the Beatles.
One day, we were listening to the radio and they played Get back.
“Is this the Beatles” she said, “I hate the Beatles”
“No 🙄 ” I said, “It’s the Rolling Stones”
“That’s OK then, ‘cos I’d turn it off if it was the Beatles”

anyone else still chuckling over the ‘my wife is a-musical’ followed by ‘some bird called Michelle’

I’m still chuckling that a perfectly innocent comment about my wife not knowing of the song by The Beatles seems to have spawned one of the bloodiest debates in STW history.

I mean its the bloody Beatles for god’s sake! Yes they were significant and yes they were popular and yes there are people who like them and people who don’t.

But really. I mean is it really worth all this arguing?

yes! cos they need to be told! 🙂

I’m no fan either although normally i keep it to myself as the beatles attract scary people who can’t handle the possibility that someone might not be 100% enthusiastic about them and who feel they have to re-educate those who doubt.

this is STW, of course it’s worth arguing about

we’ve been here before, more than once

The Beatles are a “red flag” – same as Macs, iphone, coffee, immigrants, muslims and all the rest

I think the problem with the whole Beatles thing is that a lot of people are happy to think of them as “Just a band”, and have an opinion on whether they like them or not based on that. (which is fine)

Other people like to think about them in context of all the cultural and musical changes that were taking place in the 60s – and then they become a lot more than “just a band”. I love the music, but I’m also fascinated by the story of the Beatles.

I’ve said this on here before – but if you are a music geek you can have a very interesting time with a stack of Beatles CDs and the book “Revolution in the Head”.

FTR – I can see the impact that Beatles 62-66 had on mainstream music to this day but frankly I find it a bit throwaway. Maybe because of the impact it had meaning we hear so much derivative stuff nowadays.

66-70 is a different thing though, groundbreaking. I still don’t listen to it much, as my tastes are different but I can see that what they did was way out there compared to their previous stuff.

Doors FTW.

A former Mrs MTG never used to miss an opportunity to tell me how much she hated the Beatles.
One day, we were listening to the radio and they played Get back.
“Is this the Beatles” she said, “I hate the Beatles”
“No ” I said, “It’s the Rolling Stones”
“That’s OK then, ‘cos I’d turn it off if it was the Beatles”

sad as it may seem i can relate to that. im a bit the same with the beatles, and also oasis. i have to like the ‘whole package’ really, including who they are. i can hear a track on the radio, like it, find out its by a group i cant stick, and that puts me off it.
i can appreciate oasis have done some pretty decent choons, but just cos i cant stick the gallaghers, it puts me off their music and i just cant listen to em.
but…….for all those about to slag me off for being shallow mebbes……anyone here still like gary glitters stuff?
used to love it, but for obvious reasons i cant stand him now. and hate his music too.
weird how music gets you innit 🙂

junkyard… i think it is you who fails to see the genius in spice girls!

We shall let history decide and ban you from all topics of taste 😯 and 😉

The Beatles were an English rock band, formed in Liverpool in 1960, and one of the most commercially successful and critically acclaimed acts in the history of popular music

no one will ever be more revolutionary, more creative and more distinctive than The Beatles were.”

Former Rolling Stone associate editor Robert Greenfield

In 2008, Billboard magazine released a list of the all-time top-selling Hot 100 artists to celebrate the US singles chart’s fiftieth anniversary—the Beatles ranked number one.[4] In 2009, the Recording Industry Association of America certified that The Beatles have sold more albums in the US than any other artist.[3] The Beatles have had more number one albums, 15, on the UK charts and held down the top spot longer, 174 weeks, than any other musical act.[2] The Beatles were collectively included in Time magazine’s compilation of the 20th century’s 100 most influential people

Perhaps it is just that some people under rate them because they are not too their taste? What next Mozart he was cr@p wasnt he?Dali – he was a rubbish painter – My three year old can draw better. As I said it is not the law you must like them but it is foolish to try and suggest that the best selling band of all time were over rated and are actually rubbish

hehe i wonder if i hadnt have had the sneaky troll inside me urging to get out when it was first posted and jsut kept quiet… would the thread have brought out such gems?

i hope so.

truth be told… they were just another band… must’ve appealed to the masses to sell records, not awful musicians, and did have a massive impact on the music scene at the time, played a part in influencing the future music scene (as did any musician who ever released a track you could argue) and a huge variety of modern bands will list them as an influence.

unfortunately for those beatle lovers on here, the bands that list them as an influence tend to sound rubbish, as do most of the beatles songs to my highly trained super musical and superior ears.

i dont like the spice girls, but i’d rather listen to TJ lecture about helmets, or beatles fans cry about people not loving them as much as they do than endure a beatles track itself.

beatles fans are like metallica fans 😆

Interesting comment about Gary Glitter from sadexpunk.
I always wonder what would have happened if Michael Jackson had been found guilty. Would he have become an unperson like Gary Glitter or Jonathon King ?

I don’t get how people can hate the entire works of a band though.
Fair enough with someone like Status Quo, if you don’t like Down Down, it’s a safe bet you’re not going to like Sweet Caroline or Whatever You Want.

Those who hate everything from Please Please Me to Get Back, is it because it’s the Beatles or do you hate every similar song by every other band ?

Answer the bloody question!

Do people really think Helter Skelter is “rubbish”?

I don’t like The Beatles, there I’ve said it, can I get on with my life now?

sad as it may seem i can relate to that. im a bit the same with the beatles, and also oasis. i have to like the ‘whole package’ really, including who they are. i can hear a track on the radio, like it, find out its by a group i cant stick, and that puts me off it.

Answer the bloody question!

Do people really think Helter Skelter is “rubbish”?

by the beatles, yes its rubbish.
by siouxsie and the banshees, top track 🙂

I don’t like The Beatles, there I’ve said it, can I get on with my life now?

Yes, but it will be so empty it hardly seems worth it.

**add smiley of your own choice**

So now – tell me about Oasis…

by the beatles, yes its rubbish.
by siouxsie and the banshees, top track

1 then who admits they aren’t rubbish. There are 100s of other songs that aren’t Ob-la-de-o-bla-da or I Wanna Hold Your Hand etc etc.

I don’t like the Beatles either, no great hatred of them, just found them a bit mleh.
My take on their importance is that they were in the right place at the right time, and took full advantage of the way that popular music was entering society and becoming much more than just entertainment. They were the first real global ‘pop’ band.

Tis interesting to think how they would be recieved now; all that teenage screaming would send the true muso types running away as fast as possible…

There is also an age thing; as sadexpunk hints, if you got into music later, you probably don’t see the significance as others do.

Ultimately, just a band.

Yes, but it will be so empty it hardly seems worth it.

No change there, then. 😆

Amazing thread for a band that split up 40 years ago and stopped playing live 45 years ago.

The impact of the Beatles was huge at the time! Now they just seem to be another band from a previous time. But all musicians live in a particular time, very few manage to transition through different eras.

Some of their later Albums (Sgt Pepper and The While Album) showed what could be done in a studio to produce new sounds and sell this to the public. They may not have been the first, but they were in the right place at the right time.

Whether you like them or not is a personal taste. I like some of their stuff and other I can easily do without, very much like most artists.

My take on their importance is that they were in the right place at the right time

sure, but that in itself would not have been enough, lots of other bands were in the same place at the same time. What set the Beatles apart might be that they had spent so long playing together (and so much) in Hamburg, that when the right time came along, they were ready. So, some luck, but not all luck.

but they were in the right place at the right time.

Yes that is what I think about olympic gold medal winners – certainly talent did not get them to the right place at the right time

Exactly Junkyard. In fact anyone who happened to be at the start line and then at the finishing line 9.6 seconds later would probably have got the gold medal

*is a little surprised that nobody took the bait with my metallica comment*

*runs off to a music forum to see if it gets a reaction*

but they were in the right place at the right time.

This is music we’re talking about – saying that is like saying some of them played guitars! You can’t get more bleeeedin obvious.

Hee hee, I’ll tell you what, them Beatlers don’t like it up ’em.