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I just don't get this (cereal cafe content)
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jam-boFull Member
Can you not see why this particular cafe might, to some, seem like an emblem* of the crass, middle-class consumerism which they see as damaging their community?
like a coffee shop?
XyleneFree MemberDoes gentrification only happen in London in the UK? There is a crisp sandwich shop in yorkshire 1GBP for a crisp sandwich
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/everything-you-need-know-englands-6164638
footflapsFull MemberCan you not see why this particular cafe might, to some, seem like an emblem* of the crass, middle-class consumerism which they see as damaging their community? It possibly doesn’t help that the owners have been in the news before being dismissive of the concerns of residents.
Much more than this. We’ve had 6 years of divide and rule from the Tories with every major newspaper proprietor selling the story than all of societies problems can be pinned on a minority group be it Muslims, immigrants, workshy poor etc. Now it seems that Hipsters are in the firing line. From a Tory point of view it’s great, they can inflict as much inequality / austerity / social cleansing on the SE as they like and every one just blames another minority group.
CougarFull MemberSo they’ve received a frostie reception?
I’m not really seeing the problem with charging £4 for a bowl of posh cereal in London, TBH. It sounds positively cheap to me given how much people will routinely hand over for a Nerocostabucks coffee or a pint of Fosters (both of which are predominantly water).
WTF is a chi chi shop, incidentally? Is someone selling pandas?
jam-boFull MemberSo they’ve received a frostie reception?
I heard there were people waving cheerio
XyleneFree Member^ not sure
Website is loading slowly for me, i seem to remember pink on black for the colours of the shop
You could get cereal blended in, maybe they should join forces with the london shop
ernie_lynchFree MemberSo, I’m not too hopeful.
I don’t know. They’ve managed to get an article in the Guardian which bearing in mind the potential global reach of Guardian articles isn’t a bad result.
I was part of the Cereal Killer cafe protest – here’s why
There’s some interesting and somewhat startling observations such as :
Some 49% of the children in the borough live below the poverty line. Property developers and private landlords are making millions forcing these children and families out of their homes, often through violent evictions, and they are regularly moved into inadequate temporary accommodation and sometimes on to the streets. Many parents in the area suffer the indignity of relying on food banks to feed their children while the new Shoreditch residents can make a successful business selling children’s cereal for £5 a bowl.
I’m starting to think think that moronic beyond comprehension might not be the best way to describe the action.
brooessFree MemberOh, and has that area actually been gentrified? I visited it a couple of years ago and it was absolutely horrible. Dirty, a bit scary, ugly and busy.
You should have seen it 15 years ago. I once watched a girl walking past when I was waiting for a bus, as you do. Five mins later she came back and asked me if I wanted ‘business’… or seeing the kerb crawlers picking up as you go to work at 8am.
As I said earlier, most people I know in London think things have gone too far now – partly because we’re all being impacted in some way by the sheer amount of outside money which has poured in, especially into property in the last 2-3 years. The sentiment isn’t really about hipster cereal bars, it’s seeing communities getting ripped apart and feeling powerless to do anything about it…
footflapsFull MemberI’m starting to think think that moronic beyond comprehension might not be the best way to describe the action.
No one (here) is arguing that inequality is a good thing (I hope), but attacking a symptom whilst completely ignoring the cause is moronic.
It’s not as if inequality is suddenly a new thing, it’s been increasing rapidly since the 1970s.
If you want to know more, plenty of sources eg: http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Cost-Inequality-Stewart-Lansley/dp/1908096292
doris5000Free MemberSo it seems that the REAL issue here is the price of the cereal.
Presumably £1.50 would be fine, but clearly £3.50 is too much. What should the National Cereal Tariff be set at to appease the pitchfork crew?
WTF is a chi chi shop, incidentally? Is someone selling pandas?
Round here (and in many parts of East London) a chi-chi shop would be a men-only sauna. but I imagine that’s not what the poster was referring to…
dragonFree MemberIt’s like Peter Rachman never went away. Good old London, lovely place.
chewkwFree MemberQuirrel – Member
^ not sure
Website is loading slowly for me, i seem to remember pink on black for the colours of the shop
You could get cereal blended in, maybe they should join forces with the london shop
Yes, that’s the exact one you are referring to as they used to one or two more shops but I guess they moved because of expensive shop rental. They used to have bigger units but now only small and located in the Metro station.
I like milkshake but Merican style only … 😀
footflapsFull MemberSo it seems that the REAL issue here is the price of the cereal.
Which is dominated by rent and rates more than anything else, two things outside of the scope of control of the shop owners..
breatheeasyFree MemberCan you not see why this particular cafe might, to some, seem like an emblem* of the crass, middle-class consumerism which they see as damaging their community?
Go and trash that bike shop selling those £3000 bikes then, eh?
ernie_lynchFree MemberSaying that, being off your tits at 6am and being able to buy a bowl of easily stomachable cereal is a great idea.
Yeah but don’t go to Cereal Killer Cafe – it’s not open at 6am.
chewkwFree MemberThey have to charge a high price because of the crazy shop rental and business rate which majority of people don’t know.
In the Toon £3k-4k rental/mth for a very tiny unit is the norm and that does not include the business rate which if I can recall is another £3k to £4k.
Basically anyone running a business selling stuff are actually feeding the city councils workers and their inflated salaries …
binnersFull Memberhow many grams in a serving of their cereal?
Are you implying that the whole cereal thing is just a front for another type of business entirely?
ernie_lynchFree Memberfootflaps – Member
It’s not as if inequality is suddenly a new thing, it’s been increasing rapidly since the 1970s.
There is a very obvious contradiction in that comment.
If inequality has been “increasing rapidly since the 1970s” then it is obvious that what we are experiencing today is new.
konabunnyFree MemberGentrification is something that’s been happening in large cities for decades – New York leads the world in it, areas that were ‘no go’ for wealthy people 20 years ago, became ‘up and coming’ 10 years ago and ‘high end’ now. London is going through the same process and the ‘hipsters’ lead the charge, they make the unpalatable ‘cool’ and ‘cool’ makes cheap expensive in months not years and with most poor residents renting it means communities are wiped out when rents double or more.
Gentrification started decades ago in London.
P-JayFree Membermunrobiker – Member
It seems a bizarre thing to go picking on. A £3.20 bowl of cereal sounds a lot, but it’s something I, as someone who earns below the average national salary and flipping loves cereal, wouldn’t begrudge paying as a treat. In the same way people will go out for a meal as at treat. Or buy a cake as a treat. I suspect there are restaurants and bakeries across Camden that are also a little expensive- it doesn’t mean they are directly responsible for Camden becoming unaffordable because the prices are going up and the wages aren’t.
I’ve been very generous and googled the address of where they ought to have gone protesting, at a place where the blame for a lack of growth, low wages and rising property prices thanks to the wallets of foreign millionaires and tax breaks for wealthy friends can squarely be pointed.
http://www.hampsteadandkilburn.org/contact-us
I think you’re missing the point, it’s not about cereal or what it costs – it’s about making areas seem more palatable than they once were by making them ‘cool’. London is suffering it’s own ‘housing crisis’ the top of the market is being squeezed by foreign buyers who are buying up high-end stuff which has an knock-on effect down through the market – for some people it’s a real winner – I recently saw a programme about “million pound homes” everything from a castle in Scotland with a leaky roof down to an ex-council house in East London, the owner bought it in the 80’s during ‘right to buy’ for a pretty small amount of money – £50k maybe, he was a council worker himself, not sure what he did but we wore high viz and rubber gloves to work – he was selling his house to a developer who was going to turn it into 4 flats.
Can you imagine what that sort of change does to a community? Where once stood a basic family home worth £50k, 25 years later stands 4 flats worth £400k or so – such is the way of world everyone who owns anything in the area is now either selling for 7 figure sums or demanding a huge rent rise from their tenants. Within a few years that community is gone, yes that area is not much ‘nicer’ but what happens to it’s former residents? With less and less parts of London now affordable they stuck between a rock and a hard place – leave everything they have and everyone they know and leave London or try to squeeze into another affordable bit?
Commuting is largely out of the question when it costs fortunes to live anywhere within a 2 hour train journey and the costs are huge – effectively leaving London unaffordable to anyone who isn’t wealthy within a few years – how will public services cope?
It might sound far-fetched, but if you look at New York, the first city to really follow the ‘gentrification’ path there are now only 3 areas of New York which are affordable to the majority of people Canarsie, Bay Ridge, & South Shore, but at least in NY it’s not so hard to commute from the cheaper areas.
XyleneFree MemberYeah but don’t go to Cereal Killer Cafe – it’s not open at 6am.
i assumed the comment regarding the queue of clubbers meant ravers
footflapsFull MemberYou’re right ernie, my mistake, rising inequality had gone totally unnoticed until a bunch of thugs threw pain at a cereal shop…
jekkylFull Memberanyone else reading this thread very glad they don’t live anywhere near London? it’s in it’s own little world seperate from the rest of the Uk.
CougarFull MemberI fully support your proposal to turn London into a kebab shop.
footflapsFull MemberLondon is suffering it’s own ‘housing crisis’
Nothing to do with selling cereal for £3.20 though.
We’ve decided to constrain supply by not building new homes and when we do, builders can pretty much opt of of social housing obligations, we’ve given massive tax breaks to overseas buyers, designed economic policy around maintaining a housing boom to keep up debt laden consumer spending, pursuing social cleansing policies (cut in-work benefits for the poor, capped benefits for the poor), drastically reduced the rights of organised labour (shifting wealth from workers to asset owners) etc….
binnersFull Memberanyone else reading this thread very glad they don’t live anywhere near London? it’s in it’s own little world seperate from the rest of the Uk
London is now, to all intents and purposes, an independent city state. Most places in Britain have more in common with Papua, New Guinea than they do with central London.
And that would be fine.
Except the problem is that economic policy is dictated in the sole interests of this over-powerful (not yet independent) city state, its property developers, bankers and cereal shop owners, to the huge detriment of the rest of the country.
footflapsFull MemberDon’t worry binners, it’s all about to change. A large billion dollar investment bank asked some of it’s top millionaire economists about all this inequality malarkey and what to do about it and apparently the answer is absolutely nothing. It will just magically go away if we leave it alone..
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/27/the-era-of-cheap-labour-is-over
So best to keep paying £3,20 for a bowl of coco-pops otherwise you could be responsible for messing things up and making it all worse….
XyleneFree MemberSo a 480 gram box of lucky charms is 5GBP. 35g appears to be the serving size on a box – so 14 servings per box, plus milk not sure what per pint cost is.
4 quid per bowl. I’m in the wrong game.
chewkwFree MemberIt’s the mega city of the future so living cost will go up where most will not be able to afford regardless whether you work there or not. Trying to prevent that is futile really.
Their best bet is to move out but commute to work from another city … traveling anything less than 1hr 30mis one way is acceptable (just to arrive in London so not counting Tube). I was doing that in other part of the world daily for several years … each day 3hrs just traveling to and from work.
ernie_lynchFree Memberfootflaps – Member
You’re right ernie, my mistake, rising inequality had gone totally unnoticed until a bunch of thugs threw pain at a cereal shop…
You see, you said something rather silly and now you’ve gone all narky 🙂
That’s obviously not what I said.
Still, I guess you had to think of some kind of retort, shame it just makes you look even sillier !
footflapsFull Member4 quid per bowl. I’m in the wrong game.
You need to sell a lot of bowls to pay £10-15k rent / month!
footflapsFull Membershame it just makes you look even sillier !
I’m sure I’ll manage to cope.
chewkwFree Memberfootflaps – Member
4 quid per bowl. I’m in the wrong game.
You need to sell a lot of bowls to pay £10-15k rent / month! [/quote]
The rent and business rate are the killers for business trying out their ideas, as a result they need to charge a high price in order to pay/feed the ZM council bureaucrats …
XyleneFree MemberYou need to sell a lot of bowls to pay £10-15k rent / month!You need to sell a lot of bowls to pay £10-15k rent / month![/quote]
See that is where they went wrong. If they had just had a mobile pop-up cafe it would have all been fine….
JunkyardFree MemberTHIS
Not only could you not open a cereal bar anywhere near me you would need to be opening the box opening the plastic bag and pouring in a litre of milk then passing it to the customer* to get way with that price
* in the posher areas they would demand a spoon rather than just pour it into their mouths
XyleneFree MemberTo make 15k rent, they would need to sell 131kg of cereal at 4 quid per bowl.
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