human rights or soft leftyism?

Eh ? 😕

DP….although I’m double confused

How about helping me with some advice on finishing plywood, or is actually being nice to people beyond you?

I’d much rather you gave me a lesson on Iraqi Kurd history. And explained to me how it gives individual Iraqi Kurds special rights in the UK today.

I feel that I ought to know.

seen this on the news tonite,i was almost in tears myself , listning to the dad talk poor bugger. send him back , he is not wanted here, leaving a child to die like that .

leaving a child to die like that

Getting human rights should require you act like a decent human. He didn’t. They aren’t really rights. they’re privileges.

I find it inconceivable that anyone could leave the scene.

Gotta keep in mind that he may well come from a country where the authorities are not known for their leniency. It may well be that he feared for what might happen to him if he stayed to report it.

I mean, if you happened to hit a kid in Zimbabwe, would you wait for the police to turn up and explain it to them? Tough decision to make

so he did not not leg it cos he was banned, uninsured then?

Dunno, maybe that would have made him even more scared. Add that to the Zimbabwe scenario if you like

yeah right………… 😆

We’re not in Zimbabwe. If people are going to act like they are, perhaps they should be there?

I find it inconceivable that anyone could leave the scene.

Yeah me too, although it appears to be a fairly common reaction.

I can’t imagine what goes through someone’s mind if they knock down and kill a child – even if it’s not their fault. I’ve always assumed that people who leg it possible do so, because they crack up and lose their marbles at the thought of what they’ve done, ie, they are in denial, pretend it hasn’t happened, can’t face it, etc. Maybe I’m being too considerate about their motives, don’t know. I just hope that it is not a situation which I will ever experience, and therefore hopefully, never fully understand what goes through people’s mind when it occurs. Although obviously I can’t imagine for a moment that I would leg it.

You help me with plywood finishing; I’ll help you with Kurdish history.

Faux cork contact paper will look a treat on your DIY plywood coffee table. Or if you prefer, faux leather or faux suede contact paper. Just cut it to size and stick it using the self-adhesive backing.

Now tell me why Iraqi Kurds have special rights in the UK.

I’m not sure my position on this sort of thing is truly rational since I became a father.

I don’t really mind what country he is in or what country he is from, but the idious little shit has clearly got off too lightly. Punishing him until the end of his days still won’t undo what’s been done though.

I’m not sure I could live with it if that happened to my kid.

Ernie no that’s rubbish and totally unhelpful anyway I’ve had enough of this thread.

Don’t you know the story of the Kurds Ernie? Its not good. Multiple sellouts by imperialist powers over generations. A people without a country.

Iraq is not safe for anyone to return to anyway.

Oops. Odious, even.

Little. Shit. At least I managed to spell that bit properly.

We’re not in Zimbabwe.

If you can miss the point by so far, then I guess.

“Oh yes, you’re right”, is about the only answer which will work for you so…
Oh yes, you’re right.

“I mean, if you happened to hit a kid in Zimbabwe, would you wait for the police to turn up and explain it to them? Tough decision to make”

Tough? Seriously? There’s a dying child crying under your car and trying to help them might be a tough decision for you, depending on the geography and the speed of any police response?

I’m with Elfinsafety; I’ve probably had enough of this thread too.

I’ve had enough of this thread

Nice cop out there. The truth is you can’t back up your stance. Like many Sun and Daily Mail readers some ‘left-wingers’ have a knee-jerk reaction over certain issues. Here it’s over an Iraqi Kurd facing deportation, and the knee-jerk reaction in this instance, is that he can’t be deported because to do so would be “racist”. I doubt very much if you would have been so quick to rush to his defence against deportation if he had been a white American.

The reality is that he had no right to be here, and the least that I would have expected from him was for him to behave himself and not break the law. He failed to do that, and by all accounts he had a string of convictions, including I believe, drug related ones.

He should have been thrown out of the country as soon as he started his anti-social behaviour, it was hardly just a single one-off minor misdemeanour, but still he remained. He then whilst serving a driving ban freely chose to ignore it, showing complete contempt for the law of the land – despite not even having a right to be here. The result was that he killed a young girl, to which he then reacted by legging it and leaving her to die.

Having completed his sentence for that crime he should have been immediately deported, but for reasons which I don’t understand he wasn’t. He then managed to get a British national up the spout, and has now successfully managed to avoid deportation on those grounds. Well that stinks in my books, although I am prepared to reluctantly accept that perhaps two children shouldn’t be deprived of a loving father.

However …… there is some evidence to suggest that he has little contact with his children, if this is the case then I think that he should have been deported. Obviously like most people I don’t know the full details of the case, but on the information which is available, it doesn’t look good. So I do hope the judge(s) did in fact make the right decision.

Don’t you know the story of the Kurds Ernie? Its not good. Multiple sellouts by imperialist powers over generations. A people without a country.

Cobblers. Iraqi Kurds have a country. It’s called Iraq.

😀

And has been caught driving while still banned since the killing of the little child.

I understand your point Charlie, I just don’t see it as an excuse in this case. Just my opinion.

I think it’s very difficult for people without children to appreciate the strength of feeling from people with.

I have full sympathy with the plight of the Kurds, however I would happily seem this piece of scum dead.

Long thread that I don’t have the time to read

But ………
He’s an habitual criminal & we’re going to now be left picking up the bill & misery for his criminal activities, until he’s either too infirm or he dies [hopefully in great pain]
He’ll probably end up killing or maiming someone else whilst all the hand-wringers constantly give him the benefit of doubt.

He should have been denied the right to stay & deported, there’s nothing to stop him having a family life elsewhere.

Ernie – Like the Palestinians have a country – Israel
Iraq is hardly a safe place to return people to as well

FWIW I actually have no issue with deporting crims that are not UK residents. I think it should be done more and more quickly.

This was not something that occurred to the law makers when the legislation was written. Jack Straw who was responsible for it was on yesterday talking about tabling an amendment in parliament to close an unintended loop hole that has allowed this to happen.

In that context its neither human rights or soft leftyism. Its the law, and that law needs changing. Simple as that.

Ernie – Like the Palestinians have a country – Israel

So you’re comparing Iraqi Kurds with the Palestinians are you ?

Well let’s not stop there, let’s get really silly and say that the United States has an obligation to grant asylum to any Scotsman who arrives, on the grounds that the Scottish people don’t have their own country.

And it’s probably worth pointing out that if this geezer was looking for Kurdistan, then I’m guessing he took a wrong turning somewhere to have ended up in the UK. I suggest he turns back and has a look in a rather large area around the southern Turkey northern Iraq/Syria.

BTW, whilst having huge sympathy for the Palestinians if one came over to the UK hell-bent on committing crime, I wouldn’t hesitate to call for his deportation back to the West Bank, Gaza, or wherever. If we are going to grant asylum to people, let’s treat the ones who are law-abiding as a priority. When all of those have come over then we can start inviting the law-breaking scum. Makes sense surely ?

Ernie – Like the Palestinians have a country – Israel
Iraq is hardly a safe place to return people to as well

As I understand Kurdistan is pretty much an independent state rather than just a bit of Iraq and doesn’t suffer from the violence and problems of Iraq as a whole.

Amazingly I completely agree with Ernie’s long post ^^

Regardless of this particular case, it is obvious the guy is a POS who has shown complete disdain for the laws of this country and the citizens. His criminal record and actions since this particular incident prove this. I cannot believe that people are actually defending the decision to allow him to stay here.

Personally, and I really mean this, I would rather someone put a bullet in his head and rid society of a scumbag. Then the father might get some closure.

In that context its neither human rights or soft leftyism. Its the law, and that law needs changing.

I’m not completely convinced that it is. Because if the issue here is that he has a “human right” to family life, then presumable it means that he can’t be jailed either. After all if he was giving a 2 year prison sentence for example, then his children would be deprived of their father.

I think perhaps his deportation should be seen more in the context of a punishment for crimes/anti-social behaviour. Besides can’t financial help be given so that he can take his children back to Iraq with him ? There are families living in Iraq are there not ? No one seems much bothered about them.

The state is not completely responsible for the consequences of someone being a bad father you know. Unless of course you think no father should ever be jailed, should always be offered a job, house, etc.

I don’t think anyone is defending him but a few people recognise that the law is the law and yet the way this is being reported is deliberately designed to cause as much racial tension as possible. I think had the judges been able to get rid of him within the law they would have.

Gotta keep in mind that he may well come from a country where the authorities are not known for their leniency. It may well be that he feared for what might happen to him if he stayed to report it.

I cant believe you are trying to excuse what he did. Maybe we should simply blame his parents or go the whole hog and explain that the imperialist history of his country led him to act that way, job done he is totally blameless!

If he’s a member of the human race he should not have left a small child frightened, dying and in pain. Any attempts to rationalsie that are a disgrace.

Surfer – its not trying to excuse what he did. Its looking for an explanation of why he did what he did.

A subtle but important difference.

It’s not aimed at you TJ

….the way this is being reported is deliberately designed to cause as much racial tension as possible.

Well the only people who appear to be using his “ethnicity” ie, the fact that he is an Iraqi Kurd, on this thread, are the ones who are arguing that he shouldn’t be deported.

They are clearly using the race card. No one else as far as I can see, is bothered by the fact that he is an Iraqi Kurd.

You can’t lash out at someone just because your life is miserable. Would it make anyone’s life better if this guy was deported?

What if your kid was killed by someone who wasn’t an immigrant?