[Closed] How can people be so cruel to a dog

I cant even look at the link!

As i have said on here before people who will come on and say its only a dog (binners!) need to realise that there is a direct connection between animal abuse and human abuse.

That is truly awful! how anyone can do that is unimaginable.
Just as a point though where does it say some hoods were responsible?

Hood- generic term for bad guys from the US, long before hoodies.. I think it comes from Hoodlum.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/hood

That makes me very angry. I know Maghaberry well, my gran and grandpop used to live there.

Hopefully they will be back in Maghaberry soon at HMP

http://www.****/news/article-2194771/The-horrifying-pictures-family-s-border-collie-torched-thugs.html

Justice for Cody

As i have said on here before people who will come on and say its only a dog (binners!) need to realise that there is a direct connection between animal abuse and human abuse.

Oh FFS!!! get a grip! Can I just say that when I said 'it was only a dog', I was only bloody joking! It was in poor taste? Yes, undisputedly! Hence I got the banhammer waved in my general direction. I feel suitably contrite and won't repeat anything as crass

But to paraphrase myself (how frightfully narcissistic of me?) - Its only the internet.

So I therefore found it quite ironic, in fact absolutely laughable and pathetic, that someone felt so offended about a flippant comment on an interwebby forum, about a dog, that they emailed me death threats. Might I suggest you need to get a sense of perspective?

And if you're reading this, which you doubtlessly are, do you mind if I post your email address up so we can identify you? Or just reply to my frightfully witty email. Unless you want to out yourself first? No? Thought not.

Maybe it was Stapleton?

[i]So I therefore found it quite ironic, in fact absolutely laughable and pathetic, that someone felt so offended about a flippant comment on an interwebby forum, about a dog that, they emailed me death threats. Might I suggest you need to get a sense of perspective?[/i]

Amazing!

Show us the email!

You were sent death threats? Seriously?!

Well i will do - but I'm giving somebody the opportunity to fess up first.

I bet they're reading this. Care to justify yourself then Frank R? No?

You are joking binners! Death threats over a tasteless, albeit flippant, remark. Out them definitely then we can all point and laugh at the keyboard vigilante.

Out of fairness binners, you should substitute the first letter of his/her name for the letter after it alphabetically, so that they aren't identified.

Where is binners' flippancy? On another dog-fire thread?

Damn! out of biscuits again
Off to the shop for more then. 🙂

Not going to look at the link but i do hope they are caught, it disgusts me that people can get away with this sort of thing.

Binners, that is mental getting death treats, would agree your comments were undeniably distasteful but someone has gone way over the top there.

The mail from a Yahoo account in the name of a Frank Regza said

'It's only a dog'? You are total scum! You will be hunted down.....

Love,
The animal rights movement.

Which I suppose was meant to scare me. yeah... I was quaking in my ****ing boots, I can tell you. I offered to send him my address, to save him the 'hunting down' bit. No reply though so I sent him this....

[i]Couple of further questions Frank, if you don't mind

1. Are you a self-appointed spokesman of the animal rights movement? (Do
'movements' even have spokesmen/spokeswoman/spokesperson?) Or are you issuing your violent threats in a purely personal capacity, as a lover of all things furry?

2. Is it you who will be hunting me down? Or yourself and other animal rights 'activists' (is that what members of movements are referred to as nowadays?). Its just that I thought your 'movement' was generally opposed to the idea of hunting. Or does this apply exclusively to foxes?

3. If it does apply purely to foxes, if I don a fox costume (I think I've seen one in a local fancy dress shop) would that exempt me from your brutal and chilling retribution?

4. Have you considered addressing your anger management issues? I'm a bit
worried about you to be honest. I mean... if you're threatening to hunt people down for making a tasteless internet comment, What on earth are you going to do if something really serious happens? I'm imagining that if, say someone bumped their shopping trolley into yours in your local vegan, organic grocery, that you may end up bludgeoning them to death, in front of their children, with a muddy mis-shapen courgette.

Anyway.... Looking forward to your reply. You sound like you could be fun, but your concern for ickle fwuffy bunny wabbits is clouding your judgement

Love and kisses

xxxx[/i]

Still no reply. Which is very hurtful 🙁

😆

Quality. To celebrate I'm going to set fire to my dog when I get home.

What's got four legs and goes Woof ? Etc etc

Fwiw it's despicable to do such a thing to an animal. Disgusting.

How can people be so cruel to a dog

Not suggesting it's ok to hurt animals but I'll stand by my argument that people are much more important than animals.

Quality. To celebrate I'm going to set fire to my dog when I get home.

Mine is roaring away as I type this.

Roaring? Are you sure its not the Essex lion you've got there? 😀

Mine is roaring away as I type this.

+1

I've sent Frank the link to this thread, in case he's missed it. I feel we'd all benefit from his input, on a subject he clearly feels so strongly about

Lol Binners I only mentioned you as i think it was on my thread on the dog that was killed on Caesars camp.

I did know you were joking that's why i mentioned you (as I was too), i had no idea that the banhammer was waved nor the death threats!

Blimey! 😯

Not suggesting it's ok to hurt animals but I'll stand by my argument that people are much more important than animals.

Ha ha, people are scum, just like animals... ...and plants with their faux-renewable energy photosynthetic green-wash.

The only true higher intelligence and consciousness on this planet are fungi!

I think the point is, that despite all right thinking people feeling compassion and even empathy with the dog, most people are surprised at the level of vehemence and defence over animals, when humans die in terrible circumstances every day.

Where is this level of bile towards the perpetrators of cancer - the tobacco companies?

Or the politicians who choose to spend money building edifices to themselves when children are dying of starvation in africa?

It's a symptom of misplaced morals, or what I like to call "pick and mix" morals. Which is people choosing easy moral platforms to stand on because they haven't got the inner strength or moral courage to stand up for something really important..

{awaits flames}

Not suggesting it's ok to hurt animals but I'll stand by my argument that people are much more important than animals.

No flaming from here Toys19. You make some good points that some will find unpalatable.

Interesting perspective Toys19, it's certainly something that the British media seem very adept at stoking.

Maybe we have become too insulated as a species, or at least as a culture to the realities of the world we live in? Should "life" be given the pedestal it currently sits on? We set so much store in individuals without often considering the wider impact. Is this even something we can do, i.e. taking the bigger picture? Certainly some folk sacrifice themselves for "the greater good" should this be something we should all aspire too, at the expense of individual life and/or suffering?

Not sure myself, but it's worth thinking about. Tends to be a bit uncomfortable though.

I've always found that people who are obsessed with the rights of animals seem to generally have scant regard for human beings. They basically just don't seem to like them. Something that seems to be readily reciprocated, for normally pretty obvious reasons.

They're also very selective about what animals they like/favour to protect/issue death threats on behalf of. In fact.... mainly, to be honest... their ridiculously simplistic, black or white, morally vacuous stance on the matter marks them out as complete ****ing morons

Just my opinion, obviously 😉

*awaits the next death threat*

I think the point is, that despite all right thinking people feeling compassion and even empathy with the dog, most people are surprised at the level of vehemence and defence over animals, when humans die in terrible circumstances every day.

Where is this level of bile towards the perpetrators of cancer - the tobacco companies?

Or the politicians who choose to spend money building edifices to themselves when children are dying of starvation in africa?

It's a symptom of misplaced morals, or what I like to call "pick and mix" morals. Which is people choosing easy moral platforms to stand on because they haven't got the inner strength or moral courage to stand up for something really important..

{awaits flames}

You'll get no flaming from me. I fundamentally agree with you. But I wonder if it's just simply to do with the cruelty to our perceived most vulnerable (children/elderly/disabled etc) of which our Dogs and Cats etc are part of, which we find so immediately abhorrent.

Clearly some just prefer animals over people which I find a little unsettling.

If you are looking into fostering children, part of the background check for suitability is if you have or had pets is to contact your vets

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Odd choice of sign off there 😉

I think the point is, that despite all right thinking people feeling compassion and even empathy with the dog, most people are surprised at the level of vehemence and defence over animals, when humans die in terrible circumstances every day.

That's a fair point to raise. For me, there's something nauseatingly cruel about picking on the innocent, the vulnerable, the dependent, the trusting. So I feel an especially vehement response when animals, children, the elderly and the disabled are treated sadistically. I simply don't get that when I think of grown adults. I don't think it's a bad thing to feel particularly protective of the weakest around us, whether they're dogs or children or horses or grannies. But to take it to the extremes of sending death threats is the mark of a nutjob.

That's a fair point to raise. For me, there's something nauseatingly cruel about picking on the innocent, the vulnerable, the dependent, the trusting. So I feel an especially vehement response when animals, children, the elderly and the disabled are treated sadistically. I simply don't get that when I think of grown adults. I don't think it's a bad thing to feel particularly protective of the weakest around us, whether they're dogs or children or horses or grannies. But to take it to the extremes of sending death threats is the mark of a nutjob.

You'll get no flaming from me. I fundamentally agree with you. But I wonder if it's just simply to do with the cruelty to our perceived most vulnerable (children/elderly/disabled etc) of which our Dogs and Cats etc are part of, which we find so immediately abhorrent.

Clearly some just prefer animals over people which I find a little unsettling.

Just re-jigged really.

yup said the same thing.

Although I feel just as bad when anyone is treated badly, they don't have to be vulnerable to be more deserving of my empathy and compassion. If it was your eyes being poked out with a red hot poker or the eyes of a child, it's just as bad..

I feel a sliding level of empathy towards things depending on how fwuffy and cute they are. Aaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwww

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I prefer animals personally.

(i was talking about animals, honest)

Toys, unfortunate choice of moral name but yeah 😉

also learnt something today which is always good.

Ha Pik n mix! Sorry!

(i was talking about animals, honest)

Seriously I was talking about the animals, wasn't calling you stupid wrecker.

maybe I should have used the word "uncomplicated"

I much prefer uncomplicated thanks. 😀

I feel just as bad when anyone is treated badly, they don't have to be vulnerable to be more deserving of my empathy and compassion. If it was your eyes being poked out with a red hot poker or the eyes of a child, it's just as bad..

Absolutely. I never been unable to understand why we put so much more value on the lives of certain people/animals over others, but I do understand that as human beings we naturally tend to feel more protective (and therefore more horrified when we hear about abuse etc) over those we deem unable to protect/defend themselves in the same manner fully able, fully grown humans can.

It's flawed but I think it's probably why we have that automatic reaction to certain things happening to certain people/animals.

Indeed, it's a gut/kneejerk reaction. I feel the same, but pretty soon (like milliseconds) after, your civilised rational brain kicks in. Unless you are Frank Regza ..

Guess part of the concern with cruelty to animals is that it is a recognised link to cruelty to humans. Many indications that people often start with animals and go on to abuse people.

Was at a course run by the RSPCA several years ago where one of the topics was non accidental injuries to pets and how to look for them and report them.

Do think that for some people lots of social contact is difficult for many reasons and they often seek company and reward from animals as they are less complicated.

I never been unable to understand why we put so much more value on the lives of certain people/animals over others

I'm not sure it's a protective thing. Or that some lives are more important than others. It's the mindset of someone who does something like this.

I mean, if you're waltzing down the street, and you call someone a ****er, and they stab you, as out of order it may be, that's karma. If someone mugs you, and gives you a good kicking to aid their venture, it's because they need to feed themselves / their habits. There's reason. If you lure in a trusting animal purely to torture them for entertainment, that's just sick.

Why would anyone want to look at the footage?

death threats?

you do realise you've just been elevated to 'big hitter' status. now its time to get yourself banned and send abusive emails to the mods

COOL!!! Can I buy the T shirt now....

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I'm going to be completely honest here and say perhaps rather naively that I had never made the link between animal cruelty/human cruelty.

There's a lot of evidence of serial killers torturing animals as children. Normally as an outlet resulting from their own abuse

Hitler however was a dog lover.

just seen this on facebook, heineken anyone?

its quite unpleasant so sorry if i upset anyone.

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Wow kimbers, thats pretty sick. i bet it wasn't a Heineken sponsored event really!

Well I wonder if people get that upset toward all the insects that get set on fire every day...?

Mmmmm, Heineken.

On the subject of the picture (from April):
That's a club in Mongolia.
They have a night in which Heineken sponsors the drink promotions.
The next day, they have an illegal dog fighting meet.
Somebody takes a picture.
Text was added, the pic went viral, Heineken responded.

Personally, I tend to believe them when they say they don't sponsor illegal dog-fighting.

heineken apparently blamed it on a local distributor

Carlsberg don't do dog fighting.

But if they did.....

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😆 LOL 😆

The Macdonald Triad of fire-setting, animal cruelty and persistent bed wetting beyond the age of 5 has been mostly discredited as a measure of sociopathic tendencies but there are still lots of studies out here which do link animal cruelty to violence in later life.

it would seem that I have learnt several new things today, Thanks.