Hope Hoops pro 2 ZTR Crest – Hopeless!

Just recieved my new front wheel but I can’t get my Minion DHF tyre onto the rim for love nor money. Is a folding single ply tyre going to be any easier? I’m ready to just give up!

http://www.justridingalong.com/news/2012/07/tyre-and-rim-compatibility-and-pressures/ sure there used to be a compatability chart on jra somewhere too ….

Make sure you move the beads to the centre of the rim, into the hollow section. Then they should go on easier.

I had the same issues with some tyres but now can get most on by hand.

I had same issue last night with flow ex rim and Hans Dampf

Got them on but it was tough!

There’s a few threads here and elsewhere about Stan’s and very tight tyres – try notubes forum

I wasn’t happy with Bontys on Crest 29ers, way too tight to give any confidence that a trail repair would be possible, they also threw the spoke tension way out on the rear.
I took the wheels back to JRA for a rework but all they could really do was put more tension than recommended in them, which is fairly low to start with.
In the end Contis were a better fit

Given all this why are Stans rims so popular ? 😕
No eyelets, low spoke tension, restricted tyre choice etc.

I’ve always gone with Mavic. Pretty much any tyre goes on without levers.
And they will run tubless, I’ve never had a problem getting them to.

Surely the title ought to be:

“inadequate user – hopeless”

I’ve 2 sets of Hope/Crests and never failed to seat a tyre – although I probably also use the right tools, and run them tubeless.

You’re trying to get a dual ply minion onto a crest?!?!
1.Why?
2.Good luck with that 😯

takisawa2 – Member
Given all this why are Stans rims so popular ?
No eyelets, low spoke tension, restricted tyre choice etc.

They are easier to set up Tubeless than Mavic rims and they generally give a wider rim for less weight

I’ve never had any problems with Flow rims even fitting Geax TNT tyres which are tight when first fitted but beads loosen over time. Also no problems with 29er Arch Ex rims

Minion DHF are tw*ts on DT Swiss rims as well…….even the single ply.

I’ve just bought a set of Flow/Hope Pro II and have to say that fitting Minions front and rear tubeless was the easiest tyre set up I have ever experienced.

Now trying to get Nobby Nics on my Mavic 317’s to run tubeless and about to give up!

DT and WTB (the TCS ones) are just as tubeless compatible, although not quite as light but almost certainly a better day to day option. Fitted some standard tyres tubeless to Crossmax 29er rims on Thursday without any hassles.

So I am now questioning the benefits of Stans rims for most people, most of the time.

It’s impossible to get some tyres on unless both beads are in the centre first time mate. But you can do it!

@shortcut – was that Mavic 29er set up with just rim tape or did you also use a rim strip? Thinking about converting mine or perhaps buying Hope/Crest wheels, so this is a handy thread for me!

Well that’s a mixed bag of responses, off to my LBS to see if he can do any better. I have watched all the Stans videos and tried tubed & tubeless, the bead just seems to be too big & rigid to sit in the centre channel properly, I imagine Flow would be easier as they are wider. I was planning on trying Hans Dampf tyres next but I’ve heard they can be tight on standard rims?

On the plus side, just fitted a KS LEV dropper post and it’s sweet!

I wonder if recent Crests are a bit bigger?

I hade a pro3 rebuilt with a Crest and it is very tight with my normal tyres – I had retired it to ‘mud’ duties with some MudX and had a new wheel built with the old 355 so I can run my fave Ignitor LUSTs and be somewhat confident that I can perform a trailside repair.

I’ve not done it with Crests but I’ve put DHFs on Flows (slightly wider) and Rovals (Crest ripoff) without any real trouble.

All it is IMO is that lots of rims allow you to put a tyre on any old way, Stans require you to do it right.

It’s a weird choice of tyre for your rim though, and the bulky dh construction on a rim not intended for that is going to be fiddlier.

All this talk of Crest-tyre interface problems is making me hunt for an alternative xc rim for the new wheels I am hoping to buy. I know some people have no problem but I want a choice that doesn’t require such exact technique to fit.The thought of fixing a puncture in a muddy forest gives me nightmares if they are a problem to sort in the cosy confines of the garage. I have some Stan’s Arches on another bike and they have been no problem at all in the 5-6 years I have had them.
What other reasonable rims are there apart from the usual Stan’s/Mavic dichotomy? Nobody for instance seems to buy DT as aftermarkets except for the very high end.

The thought of fixing a puncture in a muddy forest gives me nightmares if they are a problem to sort in the cosy confines of the garage.

Yep agreed. Crest and the EX models have the new low profile rim so I expect it to be okay getting a Minion on the older Stans rims like the Flow…I had a Minion 2.5 DHF ST on a 355 the other week, bit tighter than my normal Ignitor but went on fine.

I’m now looking for some 29er wheels and do worry about being able to do trail side repairs with the new Stan’s rims. Personally I’m looking out for Arch (Not EX) or 355 29er rims.

I have never had trouble fitting tires to any Stans rims I think you guys need to improve your technique or increase your thumb strength.

sit the tyre next to a radiator for half an hour.

I have never had trouble fitting tires to any Stans rims I think you guys need to improve your technique or increase your thumb strength.

All it is IMO is that lots of rims allow you to put a tyre on any old way, Stans require you to do it right.

These comments sum it up in my experience.

if the problem is getting the tyre to seal then I recommend you fit it with a tube, pump it up to 30psi, leave it over night.

In the morning pop off one side of the tyre, remove the tube, insert valve, re-fit the other side then pump like buggery.

Worked on one set of Flows with Hans Dampf, bizarrely my other set of the same combo went on ‘dim problem o gwbl’.

If the actual problem is getting the tyre onto the rim in the first place then, as above, make sure one side is on and positioned bang in the middle of rim (the lowest point) then the other side shouldn’t be too bad.

Have to say that getting Hans Dampf’s onto the Flow rim was a piece of cake (ignoring the sealing process).

Maybe Crest’s are simply too small for that tyre??

Technique is important, i run dhf sp on a dt5.1 try just chucking the tyre on in quickly with tyre levers and its a load of hassle, take your time do it right and you can do it by hand.

Crest with dual ply does sound a weird mix 1.2kg tyre with a 340g rim? if ur worried about tyre rips try the exo if ur riding bonkers stuff the crest is too flimsy. All IMO of course

Given all this why are Stans rims so popular ?

That is because they are for weight weenies. Not that you can actually use them in proper MTBing, but hey, I have long stop to understand the lycra gang.

Now trying to get Nobby Nics on my Mavic 317’s to run tubeless and about to give up!

Maybe you should use UST rims from mavic…

Maybe you should use UST rims from mavic…

you don’t need to be a weight weenie to think 500g is ridiculously heavy for a normal/xc rim – mavic need to produce a lightish ust rim

That is because they are for weight weenies. Not that you can actually use them in proper MTBing, but hey, I have long stop to understand the lycra gang.

Ha not bad Juan, but as far as i am aware we have some pretty big mountains up here in scotchland and the flows that myself and a few others use have done the job with bells and whistles on. Some of us actually do proper mountain biking as well. You know like up and down mountains 🙂

All it is IMO is that lots of rims allow you to put a tyre on any old way, Stans require you to do it right.

Never had any problems getting all sorts of tyres on my old Crest and Flow rims.. my new Crest 29er rims, on the other hand, are exceptionally tight.

It’s not just the tyres either – Rocket Rons and Conti XKing both go fine on my old DT rims but are a pain to get on the Crests.

Would be interesting to measure an old(er) and new set to see if they’ve increased the diameter marginally..

juan – Member

That is because they are for weight weenies. Not that you can actually use them in proper MTBing

It’s true, my set have been totally unsuitable for the trips to france and the enduro and downhill racing they’ve done.

My LBS fitted the tyre in 10 seconds flat, on the counter, without tools. I guess I need some practice! When my thumbs stop hurting that is. Otherwise I need to invite him along on each ride just incase I get a puncture!

Best result that really, saves you an expensive problem 🙂

Oh, dang it… Meant to mention this in my last post but for Juan… Is winning a downhill worldcup overall not “proper MTBing”?

That is because they are for weight weenies. Not that you can actually use them in proper MTBing, but hey, I have long stop to understand the lycra gang.

Yep, yesterday on the Inners Enduro routes we were obviously totally under-rimmed… 🙄