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  • Helmet why ISSNT it illegal to not were one?
  • maxtorque
    Full Member

    People too stupid to see the sense in wearing a helmet when riding their bike are probably not worth saving anyway tbh…….. 😉

    #darwinism

    aracer
    Free Member

    People so stupid that they expect a lump of polystyrene to save them from all calamities are probably not worth saving anyway 😉

    wanmankylung
    Free Member

    aracer – would you rather be moderately mangled from a head injury or minimally gubbed?

    aracer
    Free Member

    Hmm, tricky. Can I take the not hurt at all by avoiding the incident option?

    brooess
    Free Member

    Why does anyone think their perspective of what is ‘right’ should be forced on anyone else?

    If you prefer to wear a helmet, wear one. I do.

    But not sure I have the right to dictate to anyone else they have to do the same

    aracer
    Free Member

    Oi, stop forcing me to have a free choice

    aracer
    Free Member

    Please report dp

    jojoA1
    Free Member

    Mrs TJ = SWMBO

    wanmankylung
    Free Member

    Hmm, tricky. Can I take the not hurt at all by avoiding the incident option?

    Does wearing a helmet prevent you from avoiding the incident?

    thisisnotaspoon
    Free Member

    Why don’t they make wearing helmets compulsory the amount of times I’ve been out riding and seeing people on proper Mtb trails with no helmet on what idiots!
    Surely its a no brainier to make it illegal to not were one and why do kids think it cool to not were one?!

    Well, clearly they’re surviving quite well without their helmets, maybe it’s not as dangerous as you think?

    antigee
    Free Member

    aracer – Member
    If the OP likes I could put him in touch with this chap who would clearly appreciate being told why he should wear a helmet

    POSTED 11 HOURS AGO # REPORT-POST

    a good point wasn’t TJ banned from STW for refusing to wear a helmet? 😉

    …remember folks being cool on the trails may impact your choice of social media!

    bencooper
    Free Member

    TJ is probably reading this you know 😉

    garage-dweller
    Full Member

    Careful if you post his picture three times in one thread then he emerges from a miniaturised version of Scotland at stw towers.

    TJ is probably reading this you know

    He’s replied to me on Facebook about something I asked on here in the past, so that is definitely a possibility.

    to TJ

    slowoldgit
    Free Member

    I’ve ridden on the back of TJ’s ugly-looking gate. We both wore helmets for the event. We both fell off. You can tell me the helmets saved our lives if you like.

    I miss him.

    cloudnine
    Free Member

    You have photos of TJs helmet? 😯

    martib
    Full Member

    [sarcasm]Perhaps when we go out, we should all go out in full downhill body armour. After we might scrape our knees or elbows when we fall off 🙄 [/sarcasm]

    drlex
    Free Member

    OP is probably still writing letters (in CAPITALS, green ink, underlined) to the Beeb, having seen Chris Boardman riding through Manchester without a lid, commenting on urban safety.

    martib
    Full Member

    OP is probably still writing letters (in CAPITALS, green ink, underlined) to the Beeb, having seen Chris Boardman riding through Manchester without a lid, commenting on urban safety.

    Saw the comments on Twitter people were going into meltdown over it. Typical knee jerk, risk averse reactions. I was glad he did it, the message should be that cycling is NOT dangerous and that all road users should look out for each other. In the rest of Europe people use cycles as a normal everyday form of transport and do not need to wear helmets or hi-vis.
    The cause of the problem needs to be tackled (i.e. poor standards by those using the roads) not passing the onus on to the potential victims.

    BikePawl
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    Wearing a helmet and crashing
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    TJ Wipes-out[/url] by paul.newman4279[/url], on Flickr[/img]

    Not wearing a helmet, but not crashing
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    Tandem leaving Fealar Lodge[/url] by paul.newman4279[/url], on Flickr

    Lawmanmx
    Free Member

    I love this great country where we have the ‘freedom’ of Choice …. ‘sometimes’ 😆

    mjsmke
    Full Member

    Ive crashed and hit my head several times. Not every time but it does happen. Be smart and wear a helmet. But wait… if you want to follow the fashion/hipster brigade go a head and ride without a helmet in your imortal bubble of ignorance. Riding without a helmet is natures way of wiping out all the stupid genes.

    aP
    Free Member

    Riding without a helmet is natures way of wiping out all the stupid genes.

    Really?
    I wore a helmet to cycle with the club yesterday.
    I didn’t wear one on my commute today, neither have I done on my commute for several years. Maybe I can’t be all that stupid?

    Junkyard
    Free Member

    As is walking and taking a shower without one and driving without one

    Be safe out there…but only selectively

    Lawmanmx
    Free Member

    I really don’t know how all us as kids Survived our Bmx years 79\83 without helmets? No one wore helmets for riding back then.
    and I wouldn’t mind BUT most of the Mtb helmets hardly cover the head anyways.
    oh and just a thought, IF it was all about safety then shouldn’t any protective clothing/pads/helmets/eyewear/be cheap enough for Everyone to afford?

    fr0sty125
    Free Member

    aP – Member
    Riding without a helmet is natures way of wiping out all the stupid genes.

    Really?
    I wore a helmet to cycle with the club yesterday.
    I didn’t wear one on my commute today, neither have I done on my commute for several years. Maybe I can’t be all that stupid?

    Lets face it modern non full face helmets are not uncomfortable to wear.

    So you maybe you are stupid, maybe you are not.

    Maybe you just get a kick out of not wearing a helmet and increasing your exposure to risk.

    [EDIT] OR maybe you like sticking your fingers up and saying I can do what I want FU…

    aracer
    Free Member

    So presumably you wear one whilst walking, driving and in the shower. Or are you too stupid to do that?

    mrblobby
    Free Member

    Saw this video of Utrecht rush hour linked to in an article in another thread…

    See if you can spot anyone wearing a helmet.

    thestabiliser
    Free Member

    helmets make excellent battering rams for clearing shared use paths of the hoipoloi

    jobro
    Free Member

    Sorry this a bit long but I thought it would be better than a link:

    What evidence is there that cycle helmets reduce serious injury?

    There have been many predictions that cycle helmets are effective in reducing serious injuries. Most of these predictions come from case-control studies, which are based on small research populations and have been criticised for methodological limitations.

    On the other hand, large population data, from sources such as traffic casualty statistics and hospital treatment records, do not support these predictions. These sources show no improvement in serious injury trends as helmet use has become more common. Indeed, sometimes they suggest that the number or severity of injuries has increased.

    In Great Britain, there was no detectable improvement in fatalities, serious injuries or the average severity of injuries to cyclists over the period 1985 to 2001, during which helmet use rose from close to zero to approx 22%. Injury severity increased as helmet use became more common (BHRF, 1071). A study of road traffic casualties has found no association between differing patterns of helmet wearing rates and casualty rates for adults and children. Similarly, boys and girls have identical percent head injury rates but markedly different levels of helmet use (Hewson, 2005; Hewson, 2005b).

    In Greater London, cyclist injuries became more serious as helmet use increased in the mid 1990s (BHRF, 1072). In 2001, although about half of cyclists wore helmets, the severity of injuries was significantly higher than in 1981 and fatalities were highest since 1989. In Edinburgh, also with approx 50% helmet wearing, casualties have become more serious as helmet use has increased (BHRF, 1247). In the Lothian region (close to Edinburgh), wearing a helmet has made no significant difference to outcome in the case of the more serious head injuries measured by need of follow-up or hospital admission (Scottish Exec, 2005).

    In the USA, cyclists suffered more head injuries in 2001 than in 1991 although helmet use had increased from 18% to 50%. There is no clear information that cycle use increased during this period and some evidence that it may have fallen. (BHRF, 1041)

    In Australia, helmet laws caused head injuries to fall by 11% to 21%. But cycle use fell by 30% to 60%, suggesting that those who continued to cycle were more at risk (BHRF, 1096). In New Zealand, large increases in helmet use have not brought any reduction in the proportion of serious head injuries. Some reduction in mild concussions and lacerations has been balanced by an increase in neck injuries (##10017). An analysis of enforced helmet laws in Australia, New Zealand and Canada has found no clear evidence of benefit and increased risks for cyclists post-legislation (Robinson, 2006).

    Analysis by Erke and Elvik, 2007 showed an increased accident risk per cycling-km for cyclists wearing a helmet. In Australia and New Zealand the increase was estimated to be around 14%.

    In Germany, research found no significant difference in the level of head-trauma in cycling crashes between cyclists who wore a helmet and those who did not (Möllman, Rieger and Wassmann, 2004).

    More generally, concerns have been expressed that helmets may increase the risk of the most serious types of head injury typical of road crashes and which involve rotational forces (BHRF, 1039).

    Euro
    Free Member

    Most of you guys knew the OP was young and new to the forum. There’s no need to act like a bunch of pricks all the time.

    thestabiliser
    Free Member

    Also the OP asked about ‘on the trails’ rather than on the road. So while still a daft idea most of your arguments are moot.

    aracer
    Free Member

    Who do you think is acting like a prick, Euro? Should we just accept his fallacious arguments and say “yes, well done” because of his age?

    Euro
    Free Member

    Only if you agree with him aracer. If you disagree you could maybe try being polite (using the Queens’ english of course). If my son had asked the same question, face to face, and he was told to **** off, you’d need more than a helmet to save you 😀

    martib
    Full Member

    The Police can’t enforce the current road laws, let alone hiding behind every tree in the countryside trying to catch the odd Mountain Biker who rides past without a helmet on.

    Where do you draw the line as off road, Bridleway, BOAT, Restricted Byway, some obscure trail created in a wood only used by MTBer’s, Bike park or the middle of the Brecon Beacons.
    I was out on Friday night, came across a guy on a MTB on a bridleway, in cycling clothes in the pitch black no lights or a helmet, that is his look out.

    Way back in the 90’s a top downhiller was asked why they did not wear body armour, their response was a good one, because I have one run and to win I have to finish, if I wear body armour, it gives me a false sense of safety, I will take more risks and increase my chances of crashing and not finishing.

    First helmets then, gloves, knee pads, elbow pads, back protectors, glasses etc etc. I wear a helmet, glasses & gloves on trails because that is the level of protection I feel the need to ride in, yet I have ridden the same trails as some dressed up like storm troopers.

    aracer
    Free Member

    So answer my question – who told him to **** off as you put it?

    Euro
    Free Member

    Not as i put it – read the first reply.

    Maybe i’m mistaking **** off for **** off, which to be fair, is very easily done. If **** was actually **** then i ****ing apologise.

    If my son had asked the same question, face to face…

    What if he told a stranger, face to face, that they were an idiot for nor wearing a helmet?
    Would you still back him up with violence?

    aracer
    Free Member

    Hmm, but you suggested we were a bunch of pricks, I was expecting you to find more than one (who we all just ignored).

    Euro
    Free Member

    Midland, you made a little typo there. It’s like raaaain on your weddin’ day.

    See aracer, including me, that’s at least two. Does that class as a (small) bunch?

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