Gary Lineker big brass balls?

And what no politician wants to admit is that Western countries with ageing demographics need young workers

I thought SNP and Scottish Green govt have been openly saying exactly this for a number of years?

No economic migrants in the mix at all? Like, none?

Well, even if there is, so what?

As I said earlier, net migration to the UK is about half a million per annum. You’re arguing about a dinghy containing a dozen brown people and questioning whether at least one of them might be a chancer. Shall we just start building machine gun nests across the coast now to provide a final solution?

Hey, we could solve homelessness in much the same way, I’d give them money but I heard that some of them might be criminals. 🤷‍♂️

Stick end wrong got the of the.

Well, even if there is, so what?

As I said earlier, net migration to the UK is about half a million per annum. You’re arguing about a dinghy containing a dozen brown people and questioning whether at least one of them might be a chancer. Shall we just start building machine gun nests across the coast now to provide a final solution?

Hey, we could solve homelessness in much the same way, I’d give them money but I heard that some of them might be criminals. 🤷‍♂️

I wasn’t arguing anything. But don’t let that stop you from shoehorning in your hilarious ‘twelve brown people in a dinghy’ joke. Again.

Affordable housing is an issue. Where would they all live?

Maybe some of them are builders, architects, bricklayers…

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Stick end wrong got the of the.

It’s easy for you to say that.

But what does it mean?

I wasn’t arguing anything. But don’t let that stop you from shoehorning in your hilarious ‘twelve brown people in a dinghy’ joke. Again.

Well, no, you were talking abject bollocks. But pointing that out doesn’t make for a constructive discussion so I thought I’d ask a question of you instead. Which you ignored.

So, again, “what if there is?” In the grand scheme of things is processing a few shitbags worth the investment if it also means we save lives of people genuinely trying not to die?

The whole “we’re full, go away” approach is straight out of the Farage Playbook.

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2016/jun/22/jeff-mitchells-best-shot-the-column-of-marching-refugees-used-in-ukips-brexit-campaign

So, again, “what if there is?”

What indeed. I don’t know what you want me to say. The original poster that I replied to said that ‘ALL boat people are asylum seekers’. I pointed out that that statement was false. That’s it.

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No doubt. Which is why if you read the rest of my post you’d see that I said that these chappies could work here building new towns and council estates. Another poster pointed out that Germany have done this successfully. And I applaud that.

I’ve not read any of the thread, but 14 pages discussing a tweet by Gary Lineker? 🙂

I would guess he’s thinking about running for President/PM.

What a time to be alive!

Economic migrants, what a bunch of ****.

Those workshy West African spongers have completely transformed parts of North Manchester from heroin ravaged hellholes into functioning suburbs, once again.

My mate who’s a headmistress in one of the local schools is absolutely sick of parents knocking on her door demanding to get involved helping their aspirational, well dressed, well fed, desperate to learn kids make the most of their opportunities.

Meanwhile, their workshy parents have flooded the NHS workforce with their stupid, hard to understand accents.
They must have something to hide – many of them change their African names to something more European in order to hide their dodgy pasts.

Many proud Mancunians of recent Jewish, European, Ukrainian and Asian heritage are rightly appalled by this flagrant invasion.

My French, Spanish, Flemish, Irish, Scottish Catholic and East European Jewish ancestors must be turning in their graves.

What’s your point caller? Nobody’s arguing against economic migration. We need that. And there exists the work visa scheme to enable it.

Nobody’s arguing against economic migration.

Oh please.

That’s just willful ignorance.

The original poster that I replied to said that ‘ALL boat people are asylum seekers’.

That would be a valid statement. They will all step off the boat and seek asylum. Some of those claims will be genuine (most of them, historically), and a minority will not.

Realistically, no-one is going to enter the country this way and try to obtain a work visa.

I would guess he’s thinking about running for President/PM.

Are there many people who think that wouldn’t be an improvement? If Zelensky can go from light entertainment to esteemed wartime leader..

Oh please.

That’s just willful ignorance.

Could you elucidate please? Who is arguing against economic migration and why?

Who is arguing against economic migration and why?

Again, willful ignorance.
Engaging with you makes me feel like I’ve soiled myself.
And not in a good way.

Affordable housing is an issue. Where would they all live? There’s not enough for the people who already live here.

Here’s a radical idea, the government could specify and fund some housing for rental through the local councils. We could call it something benign like “Council Housing”. It would hopefully make the market more realistic and stop this sort of thing. https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2023/mar/12/worried-about-rent-spare-a-thought-for-your-poor-landlord

Engaging with you makes me feel like I’ve soiled myself.

You certainly soiled yourself with that wall ‘o” guff up there 🤣

Here’s a radical idea, the government could specify and fund some housing for rental through the local councils. We could call it something benign like “Council Housing”.

Absolutely 100%

I don’t know what you want me to say. The original poster that I replied to said that ‘ALL boat people are asylum seekers’. I pointed out that that statement was false. That’s it.

I’m curious as to why you felt the need to bring it up. Devil’s advocate?

Also, what Martin said.

Nobody’s arguing against economic migration.

As far as I’m aware, you were the first to mention it on this thread.

I thought SNP and Scottish Green govt have been openly saying exactly this for a number of years?

Indeed they have

makes me feel like I’ve soiled myself.
And not in a good way.

Have I been missing out on one of life’s little pleasures?

I’m curious as to why you felt the need to bring it up. Devil’s advocate?

I’ve no idea now you come to mention it. Seems so long ago…

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As far as I’m aware, you were the first to mention it on this thread.

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Maybe so. I’m pretty sure I wasn’t arguing against it though, and nobody else here has from memory. And I’m genuinely not aware of who publicly argues against economic migration. That’s why I asked mr incontinent to elucidate, as I’d be interested to hear the argument.

And I’m genuinely not aware of who publicly argues against economic migration.

tories and brexiteers argue against it all the time

You certainly soiled yourself with that wall ‘o” guff up there 🤣

All my family, apart from my parents were migrants.
My grandparents and great grandparents were welcomed into this country.
Some to fight with honour for their adopted homeland, some to work in the Lancashire cotton mills and Sheffield steel mills, some to escape persecution and civil war.

You need to think before you post.

tories and brexiteers argue against it all the time

No the Tories don’t argue publicly against economic migration.

Have I been missing out on one of life’s little pleasures?

🙂

tories and brexiteers argue against it all the time

Ah, the penny drops. You’re talking about illegal economic migration. Such as travelling by boat without a work visa and passing yourself off as a genuine refugee in need of asylum.

And back to square one we go…

Meanwhile and with no sense of irony:

😂

All my family, apart from my parents were migrants.
My grandparents and great grandparents were welcomed into this country.
Some to fight with honour for their adopted homeland, some to work in the Lancashire cotton mills and Sheffield steel mills, some to escape persecution and civil war.

You need to think before you post.

Making a list of your family’s history and achievements doesn’t give credence to nor explain your subsequent lack of clarification regarding explaining who is against economic migration. So respectfully, I think you need to think before you post.

A river of boiling shit flows through your town. You haven’t seen a tomato for 18 months. MOTD is 3 minutes long and narrated by a parakeet. Your salary is paid directly to British Gas. You solve a riddle to speak to a GP. You feel people come here because they want an easy life

— Frankie Boyle Updates (@frankieboyle) March 12, 2023

Frankie Boyle can f*** off.

Part of the problem with one side or other claiming that the BBC is biased is that they’re both right.

For the last 20 years the BBC’s idea of fair and balanced has been to give all the news journalism roles to right wingers and all the comedy slots to left wingers.

When the average Daily Mail reader reads that the BBC is biased their minds immediately turn to Mock the Week, HIGNFY, Nish Kumar and Frankie F***ing Boyle and they say “look how biased against the conservatives the BBC is”.

It’s not just Fox News who manage to blur the line between news and opinion…

and all the comedy slots to left wingers.

Because it is extremely hard to find someone who is right-wing and also funny.

Making a list of your family’s history and achievements doesn’t give credence to nor explain your subsequent lack of clarification regarding explaining who is against economic migration. So respectfully, I think you need to think before you post.

Why don’t you explain who you believe is or isn’t against economic migration?

You brought this up in the first place, you developed amnesia when I asked you about it, and then you brought it up again.

“Because it is extremely hard to find someone who is right-wing and also funny.”

Tell yourself that if you like, I suggest you go and watch some Dave Chapelle, Chris Rock, Bill Burr or Bill Maher videos to see how you can be funny without wearing your political credentials on your wings.

So you think it isn’t a problem that all the news presenters are right wing and all the comedians lefties? You can’t see that the conflation of news and views can lead to misinformation and confusion?

As the Stoic Epictetus said ‘If you wish to be good, first believe that you are bad’, and ‘If anyone tells you that a certain person speaks ill of you, do not make excuses about what is said of you but answer “He was ignorant of my other faults, else he would not have mentioned these alone”’.

All the above American comedians follow that maxim. The UK equivalent are a bunch of virtue signalling tossers.

Or, as Geoff Norcott put it, “if you’re clapping instead of laughing then it isn’t comedy”

Shall we just start building machine gun nests across the coast now to provide a final solution?

That was being saved for the election manifesto!

Dealing with increased population from immigration is just the same as dealing with increased population from natural expansion of existing families – you need to have more housing, more doctors, more hospitals, more elderly care – in fact more of just about everything.

If stuff starts to go wrong that is because of lack of management, crap policies etc,. by the various governments over the years. UK has gone from 50MM in 1960 to current 67MM and only half of that is net migration and 17MM is lot of people who need houses and all the other stuff. And as it is projected to continue to increase until 2050 then the governments not only need to catch up a lot they need to continue increasing everything.

Tell yourself that if you like, I suggest you go and watch some Dave Chapelle, Chris Rock, Bill Burr or Bill Maher videos to see how you can be funny without wearing your political credentials on your wings.

The Famously political comedian Bill Maher and the ill informed culture war ranter Bill Burr? Well done for selecting examples that demonstrate the opposite of your argument..

Ah, the penny drops. You’re talking about illegal economic migration.

Nope – I am talking about all economic miigrants

I think you will find i started it.
Sandwich called me out saying 100% of boat people were legally looking for asylum.

It was then questioned to be not true, as 42% of intercepted boat people were Albanians, who are most likely to be economic migrants

No one said we can’t have immigration

No one said we cant or shouldn’t have economic migration

The question was, Are all boat people seeking asylum for political or personal reasons, when the answer is clearly No, some of those who come here on a rubber boat are looking to earn money by whatever meams, for whatever reason, legit or otherwise.

HTH

The UK equivalent are a bunch of virtue signalling tossers.

Bingo!

It was then questioned to be not true, as 42% of intercepted boat people were Albanians, who are most likely to be economic migrants

false  Its half that and that was a particular snapshot anyway

No one said we can’t have immigration

False – tories and brexiteers argue mainly against all immigration

No one said we cant or shouldn’t have economic migration

False torres and brexiteers are against economic migration