Gary Lineker big brass balls?

Why can nothing be compared to the holocaust? I dont get it.

GL was very specific in talking about the language. The ‘othering’ of these asylum seekers is reminiscent of that era.

GL for PM!

The original plan for the Jews in Nazi Germany before they decided to gas them was to legally deport them en masse to an African state. Sound familiar?

The irrational hatred and loathing of Jews comes from much the same place as it does for Muslims or any other minority group, especially when they are ethnically different.

Throw in economic trauma, a lack of opportunity, and generally oversee a means of economic distribution where the top end benefit disproportionally to the bottom end, tapping into these deep subconscious drives becomes dangerous and unpredictable.

The results of when it boils over are well documented in history.

What’s most terrifying is how demonstrably stupid Sunak and Braverman appear to be; given their personal lives, it seems insane to be lighting the fuse beneath a roiling pot of racism and hatred.

What do you call ‘effective’?

The very latest opinion poll which was conducted yesterday and today gives Labour a 24% lead.

Quite probably, but the Tories are perfectly capable of changing the herd’s mind at the drop of a hat when needed.

@ thegeneralist

Some of my family members in the UK read the Daily Mail. That, and the BBC, are how they form their worldviews outside of their own experience.

One said she voted Brexit becasue she “hates Muslims”.

“I dont see GL backing down, the BBC has a bit of thinking to do.”

They need him far more than he needs them…

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2015/oct/14/refugee-rhetoric-echoes-1938-summit-before-holocaust-un-official-warns

Good to see some messaging breaking through that isn’t just about Lineker.

Wright also said he agreed with Lineker’s tweet about the government’s new asylum bill.

He said the row was “the prefect distraction for this government”.

“They’ve got no empathy” and “the most vulnerable ones are always the ones that suffer,” he added.

“He [Lineker] is so right with what’s he’s saying.”

👍

Any chance the rugby lot will join in?

Ironically…

“Higher school attendance and the return of Premier League football after the World Cup helped boost the figure.”

“Any chance the rugby lot will join in?”

Not a chance!

Spot on MSP, watching Newsnight last night was embarrassing.

On another note, Has anyone seen that art film by Douglass Gordon where the cameras just follow Zinedine Zidane around the pitch for 90 mins without any commentary?

If you haven’t seen it don’t worry, just watch MOTD tonight.

suburbanreuben
Free Member
“Any chance the rugby lot will join in?”

Not a chance!

Yep agreed

@inkster soundtrack by mogwai iirc? More zzzzz than ZZ for me.

Well the clumsy attempt to draw a line in the sand in the culture war has certainly worked. Just probably not in the way they expected.

It’s notable how few people appear to be on their side of the line and how universally obnoxious all of those people are

This is all the legacy of Boris Johnson. He continues his trail of destruction even when he’s not in power!

— Gary Neville (@GNev2) March 11, 2023

suburbanreuben
Free Member
“Any chance the rugby lot will join in?”

Not a chance!

Yep agreed

All the rugby is on ITV today…

Mind you,  by suspending gary the BBC has brought huge attention to this issue,  out side of the limited scope of Twitter.

the Tories are perfectly capable of changing the herd’s mind at the drop of a hat when needed.

Ah I see, this is all a cunning plan, the Tories have been deliberately making fools of themselves for well over a year now, and letting Labour have huge 20-30% leads, just so that at the drop of a hat they can go for a sprint finish when the general election is called.

Clever.

Ah I see, this is all a cunning plan, the Tories have been deliberately making fools of themselves for well over a year now, and letting Labour have huge 20-30% leads, just so that at the drop of a hat they can go for a sprint finish when the general election is called.

Clever.

Lol

It’s going to get interesting when Labour get in at the next GE (don’t tell me the Tories have a chance) and how they deal with migration.

There is an issue with mass migration around the world. You may have seen the EU is no longer welcoming people with open arms.

People have short memories – I voted labour every time and will do again – but Blair and Campbell started this rout of the BBC independence after the Gilligan/DavidKelly affair. they started to revise the governance and put huge changes in place that would make appointments more political. Everyone told them at the time that they would not be in power for ever and the Tories would take even more control and it would just become a govt mouthpiece.
Well here we are, and they are making a great case for privatising the BBC and it will be in the control of big money and hence the Tories for ever.

So just be careful what you want, the BBC needs to change, back to full independence, but it needs to stay and be the proper journalistic bastion it should be.

(Note, i am not “labour”, I just feel that so far in my 50 off years they have always been the best of a bad bunch)

I’m reconsidering my stance now that the alternative seems to be Bargain Hunt reruns

They’ve just had to replace todays Footy Focus with a repeat of Bargain Hunt as they couldn’t get anyone to host it 🤣

I wonder if MOTD will be replaced with reruns of Homes Under the Hammer?

Respectfully, that’s not true that it started with Blair. You can keep going back to see the pattern at the BBC – read up on the appointment of Marmaduke Hussey as BBC chairman (1986-96), as an example.

Will be interesting to see what happens with BBC coverage of Sunday’s footie fixtures.

Ok, I wont disagree with that, but you would hope that a left wing govt wouldn’t pour petrol on the fire.

What is the chances of John Redwood ever actually watching MOTD? Because just the possibility that he might, would prevent me from ever stripping naked and smearing myself with marmite while watching MOTD ever again.

I have very mixed emotions on this point….

@5plusn8 Definitely, hard agree there.

Will be interesting to see what happens with BBC coverage of Sunday’s footie fixtures.

With the momentum this seems to be gathering, I think its safe to assume it’ll be the same as tonights. No pundits and no host. Apparently they can’t even get anyone to commentate on games at the moment

Edit: I’ve just put Five Live on to catch up with the Liverpool Bournmouth game and they’re playing a repeat of Kammy’s podcast from yesterday

Liverpool fans readying their boycott of MOTD tonight

“I wonder if MOTD will be replaced with reruns of Homes Under the Hammer?”

My guess is that Dion Dublin has told the BBC to f*** right off.

It’s going to get interesting when Labour get in at the next GE (don’t tell me the Tories have a chance) and how they deal with migration.

It will be. But this dispute has been more about language and attitude than it is about the need for some form of limitations. The tories want to vilify and exaggerate; damning to hell all as some sort of filthy economic leaches. That’s where the 1930 Germany comparisons come from. My only wish is that GL had been more specific and said “not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the early ’30s” – hammering home that they (the Nazi’s) started with divisive language and it snowballed from there. It’s too easy looking back now to think of the atrocities that came later – in many ways it’s the beginnings that are more important to look out for. It’s too late once it’s taken hold.

I’d recommend ‘Berlin’ by Len Deighton which rather horrifically depicts the boiling frog descent into madness of Nazi Germany.

With government ministers talking of an “invasion” and an “influx”, what comparisons would you draw, if it’s so outrageous to mention 30s Germany? [ EDIT: good point that having the word ‘early’ in the tweet may have made it clearer ] What about people losing their jobs because they commented negatively about government policy and language and stuck up for those being most targeted and marginalised? What does that sound like?

Edit: I’ve just put Five Live on to catch up with the Liverpool Bournmouth game and they’re playing a repeat of Kammy’s podcast from yesterday

TalkSPORT is where it’s at

jenrick on QT repeating braverman’s phrase ‘breaching our borders’ was vomit inducing and he was, rightly, called out for it.
Dog whistle and xenophobic.
Vile.
The tories have clearly identified the target audience for their poisonous rhetoric and have mobilised their media mouthpieces and apologists.
May they all rot in hell.

Sky and BT sport should offer the football free to air whilst this mess goes on, allowing the public to watch the match with some form of explanation of whats happening on the pitch.

I’d like to see this issue fought out within the sphere of commerce, The government want to characterise this as a war on woke when in fact they are actually at war with capitalism and market forces. It is they who are behaving like the marxists in this culture war.

I am reminded of Lindsay Graham”s response when Nascar banned the Confederate flag. He said, in that Boss Hogg Southern drawl of his:

“Well..the thing is… the flag just isn’t good for business”.

A good summary from Johnathan Pie

binners
Full Member
Well the clumsy attempt to draw a line in the sand in the culture war has certainly worked. Just probably not in the way they expected.

It’s notable how few people appear to be on their side of the line and how universally obnoxious all of those people are

I wish that were true, but this is a good example of the echo chamber in action. Unfortunately if you read the comments in the Daily Mail and Telegraph you’ll see that the Tory’s target audience has fallen right in behind them.

It’s just a matter of time before the army is drafted in to host MOTD.